Deriving the Voltage Equation: Using Kinematics to Show V=(mv^2/2q)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the voltage equation V=(mv^2/2q) using kinematics and the relationship between electric fields and work done on charged particles. Participants explore the context of the problem, which involves a particle, specifically xenon, and its kinetic energy in relation to voltage.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to derive the equation and suggest using kinematics and substitutions.
  • One participant questions whether the particle is in a mass-selector or velocity selector, indicating a need for more context regarding the kinetic energy term in the equation.
  • Another participant provides specific details about the xenon particle, including its mass and velocity, while seeking clarification on how to prove the equation is true.
  • A later reply outlines the steps to derive the equation, linking the work done by the electric force to the kinetic energy gained by the particle, but does not imply that this is the only method or that it is universally accepted.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanation and indicates improved understanding, but this does not imply consensus on the derivation method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process, as there are multiple viewpoints and some uncertainty about the initial conditions and context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of additional information regarding the problem setup, such as whether the particle is in a specific selector, which may affect the derivation.

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Knowing that V=E(delta x), show that V=(mv^2/2q)

I think I have to use kinematics and substitute some things but I'm not sure
 
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Mango12 said:
Knowing that V=E(delta x), show that V=(mv^2/2q)

I think I have to use kinematics and substitute some things but I'm not sure
There is a lot more to the question than you posted. Do you have a particle in a mass-selector or velocity selector? I'm trying to figure out where the kinetic energy term comes from in V=(mv^2/2q).

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
There is a lot more to the question than you posted. Do you have a particle in a mass-selector or velocity selector? I'm trying to figure out where the kinetic energy term comes from in V=(mv^2/2q).

-Dan

Well, the problem involves xenon. One mole of xenon is .131kg and one atom is 2.2*10^-25 kg. And velocity is 2.7*10^4 m/s if that helps.

He wants us to show that V=(mv^2/2q) is true, so I don't know if he wants us to set them equal to each other or...how else would I prove it is true?
 
Mango12 said:
Well, the problem involves xenon.
Please post the whole question, not just what it involves. You still haven't given enough information!

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Please post the whole question, not just what it involves. You still haven't given enough information!

-Dan

One mole of xenon is .131kg and a single atom of xenon is 2.2*10^-25 kg. It is traveling 2.7*10^4 m/s. Using the diagram and knowing that voltage=E(delta x), show that voltage=mv^2/2q

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Mango12 said:
One mole of xenon is .131kg and a single atom of xenon is 2.2*10^-25 kg. It is traveling 2.7*10^4 m/s. Using the diagram and knowing that voltage=E(delta x), show that voltage=mv^2/2q

Hi Mango12,

When a particle of charge $q$ is accelerated by an electric field $E$, the electric force is $F=qE$.
When traversing a distance $\Delta x$ the work done is $W = F\Delta x$ (if the force is constant).
That work is equal to the kinetic energy $U_k = \frac 12 m v^2$ that the particle gains (assuming it starts from a speed of about zero).

So we have:
$$W = U_k \quad\Rightarrow\quad F\Delta x = \frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad qE\Delta x =\frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad qV =\frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad V =\frac {m v^2}{2q}
$$
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Mango12,

When a particle of charge $q$ is accelerated by an electric field $E$, the electric force is $F=qE$.
When traversing a distance $\Delta x$ the work done is $W = F\Delta x$ (if the force is constant).
That work is equal to the kinetic energy $U_k = \frac 12 m v^2$ that the particle gains (assuming it starts from a speed of about zero).

So we have:
$$W = U_k \quad\Rightarrow\quad F\Delta x = \frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad qE\Delta x =\frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad qV =\frac 12 m v^2
\quad\Rightarrow\quad V =\frac {m v^2}{2q}
$$

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you! I understand it a lot better now.
 

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