Deriving the volume of a sphere using semi-circles

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The discussion revolves around deriving the volume of a sphere using the concept of rotating a semi-circle about an axis. Participants explore the application of theorems related to volumes of revolution, particularly the Theorem of Pappus, and how these can be utilized to arrive at the volume formula for a sphere.

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  • One participant proposes deriving the volume of a sphere by rotating a semi-circle about its flat side, suggesting that summing infinitesimally thin wedges could lead to the volume expression.
  • Another participant questions the volume of the thin wedge created during the rotation and seeks clarification on the mathematical formulation.
  • A later post elaborates on the Theorem of Pappus, providing a proof and calculations related to the center of mass of a semi-circle and how it leads to the volume of revolution being equal to \({4 \over 3} \pi r^3\).
  • Another participant introduces a related question about finding the volume removed from a cylinder when a groove of semi-circular section is cut, indicating further applications of the theorem.
  • One participant expresses their intention to explore the problem further but mentions being busy with holiday preparations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial proposal for deriving the volume, as there are questions and clarifications sought regarding the mathematical approach. However, there is agreement on the validity of the Theorem of Pappus as it applies to the volume of revolution.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the formulation of the volume from the proposed method of rotation. The dependence on theorems and definitions is also noted but not fully resolved.

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Apologies if this question has already been asked, but is it not possible to derive the formula of a sphere by imagining a circle sliced in two, then rotating this semi-circle about the flat side (imagine the flat side is stuck to a skewer) by 2Pi, so as to sum up the semi-circles to "create" the sphere?

I mean, by using the area of the semi-circle and using that to create an infinitesimally thin wedge, and summing those, surely one should arrive at the volume expression? For some reason I'm having trouble formulating the maths, unless this is not the way to go about it?

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Hi FF,
You mean the expression for the volume ?
What would be the volume of such a thin wedge ?
(expressed in the angle you rotate over)
 
FeynmanFtw said:
Apologies if this question has already been asked, but is it not possible to derive the formula of a sphere by imagining a circle sliced in two, then rotating this semi-circle about the flat side (imagine the flat side is stuck to a skewer) by 2Pi, so as to sum up the semi-circles to "create" the sphere?

I mean, by using the area of the semi-circle and using that to create an infinitesimally thin wedge, and summing those, surely one should arrive at the volume expression? For some reason I'm having trouble formulating the maths, unless this is not the way to go about it?

TIA

Theorem of Pappus: "If a plane area revolves about an axis in its plane not intersecting it, the volume of revolution is equal to the area multiplied by the lenghth of the path of its centre of mass."

Proof:

Say we are rotating about the ##x-##axis, then the centre of mass is the distance given by

##\bar{y} = lim_{\delta A \rightarrow 0} \dfrac{\sum y \delta A}{\sum \delta A}##

i.e.

##\bar{y} = \dfrac{\int y dA}{A}##

where the integral extends over the whole area.

But the volume swept out by ##\delta A## in a whole revolution ##= 2 \pi y \delta A##. As such

Volume of revolution ##= 2 \pi \int y d A = 2 \pi \bar{y} A##
= Area ##\times## length of path of centre of mass.

In order to find the centre of mass of a semi-circle use:

##\delta A = 2 r \cos \theta \delta y## and ##y = r \sin \theta##.

The answer you should get is ##\bar{y} = 4r / 3 \pi## on the radius of symmetry (##x=0##). And hence the volume of revolution is:

##{1 \over 2} \pi r^2 \times 2 \pi \cdot {4r \over 3 \pi} = {4 \over 3} \pi r^3##.
 
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julian said:
Theorem of Pappus: "If a plane area revolves about an axis in its plane not intersecting it, the volume of revolution is equal to the area multiplied by the lenghth of the path of its centre of mass."

Proof:

Say we are rotating about the ##x-##axis, then the centre of mass is the distance given by

##\bar{y} = lim_{\delta A \rightarrow 0} \dfrac{\sum y \delta A}{\sum \delta A}##

i.e.

##\bar{y} = \dfrac{\int y dA}{A}##

where the integral extends over the whole area.

But the volume swept out by ##\delta A## in a whole revolution ##= 2 \pi y \delta A##. As such

Volume of revolution ##= 2 \pi \int y d A = 2 \pi \bar{y} A##
= Area ##\times## length of path of centre of mass.

In order to find the centre of mass of a semi-circle use:

##\delta A = 2 r \cos \theta \delta y## and ##y = r \sin \theta##.

The answer you should get is ##\bar{y} = 4r / 3 \pi## on the radius of symmetry (##x=0##). And hence the volume of revolution is:

##{1 \over 2} \pi r^2 \times 2 \pi \cdot {4r \over 3 \pi} = {4 \over 3} \pi r^3##.

Thank you! This is brilliant!
 
The other theorem of Pappus applies to the area of surface of revolution of an arc:

Area of surface of revolution = Length of arc ##\times## length of path of the centre of mass of the arc.

Here's a question for you which can easily be answered by using the theorems of Pappus:

A grove of semi-circular section, radius ##b##, is cut round a cylinder of radius ##a##, find the volume removed and the area of surface of the groove.
 
I'll give it a go at some point over the holidays, but as I'm incredibly busy with Xmas preparations and having family over...
 

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