Surface Area of a Sphere in Spherical Coordinates; Concentric Rings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the surface area of a sphere using spherical coordinates, specifically through the integration of concentric rings. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and reasoning behind the integration process without converting to Cartesian coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with the circumference of circles at varying heights within the sphere, leading to an integral for the surface area.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to express the differential area element in spherical coordinates, suggesting that the correct differential area is given by r²sin(θ) dθ dφ.
  • A later reply indicates a realization about the integration approach, acknowledging a misunderstanding regarding the radius of the circles being integrated.
  • Some participants introduce a related geometric fact about the area correspondence between a sphere and a cylinder wrapped around it, noting that areas can be compared through radial projection.
  • One participant mentions the historical context of this geometric relationship, referencing Archimedes' work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on the correct approach to deriving the surface area, with some participants expressing realizations and corrections to earlier misunderstandings. No consensus is reached on the derivation method, and the integration remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the inclusion of factors in the integral, particularly the radius, and the discussion reflects varying interpretations of the integration process in spherical coordinates.

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Hey, folks.

I'm trying to derive the surface area of a sphere using only spherical coordinates—that is, starting from spherical coordinates and ending in spherical coordinates; I don't want to convert Cartesian coordinates to spherical ones or any such thing, I want to work geometrically straight from spherical coordinates. I am trying to do this by integrating concentric rings. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:

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\phi - \text{ is the Azimuth (note; there is one instance at the center and one near the top for illustration)}\\<br /> \theta - \text{ is the Zenith}\\<br /> r - \text{ is the radius of the circle currently being integrated} \\<br /> R - \text{ is the radius of the sphere}

I began simply by deriving the equation for the circumference of any circle:
\int_0^{2\pi}\!r\ \mathrm{d}\phi
(The arc-length is the circle's radius multiplied by the angle; d\phi is the infinitesimal angle, so the integrand is the infinitesimal arc-length.)

In a sphere, the radius r of the integrated-circles varies according to the Zenith. The radius is:
r = R sin{\theta}
Then, the circumference of any given circle within the sphere, at a height designated by θ, is:
\int_0^{2\pi}R sin{\theta} \ \mathrm{d}\phi
That is, the radius of a circle multiplied by the infinitesimal angle, from zero to two-pi, as shown above, will give you the circumference of that circle.
Now, we want the integral to sum all of the circles' circumferences of the sphere, so θ has to move from top-to-bottom. The limits of integration on θ are therefore from zero to pi, and the whole integral is:
\int_0^\pi \int_0^{2\pi}\! \!R sin{\theta} \ \ \mathrm{d}\phi \ \mathrm{d}\theta

This evaluates to: 4\piR
... which is close, but wrong. If I threw in another R, life would be good, but I can't well do that without knowing why. I've thought of why I should need another R, but I can't figure anything out.

Where am I missing an R factor, and why should I be factoring it in? Everything above makes pretty intuitive sense to me, and I can't point out where or why I would add in another R. Though it's often the case that I'm making a dumb mistake.

Thanks. :)
 
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To stay in spherical coordinates, you need to write the differential element of area in spherical coordinates. In the \hat\phi direction, the differential arc is rd\phi. In the \hat\theta direction, the differential arc is r\sin\theta d\theta, as you can convince yourself by drawing a diagram or looking in a calculus book. Thus the differential area is r^2\sin\theta d\theta d\phi , and the total surface area is r^2\int_0^{2\pi}d\phi\int_0^\pi \sin\theta d\theta.
 
Wait.

Oh, wait, I get it!

Haha! Excellent. At one point, I was on the verge of that—then I realized that the radius of the circle being integrated varied with the sin of the zenith, and (I don't know why) decided on concentric rings.

Thank you. :)
 
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Here is a cool fact that is related to your question.

Wrap a cylinder around that sphere. i.e. x^2+y^2 = R^2 with z between -R and R. Any region on the sphere has the same area as the corresponding area on the cylinder. The correspondence is via a radial projection out from the z axis. So, for example, the area between latitudes would be 2pi*R^2(cos(phi1)-cos(phi2)).
 
Vargo said:
Here is a cool fact that is related to your question.

Wrap a cylinder around that sphere. i.e. x^2+y^2 = R^2 with z between -R and R. Any region on the sphere has the same area as the corresponding area on the cylinder.

That is pretty cool!
 
That was actually proven by Archimedes and published in 225 BC. He was a smart guy...
 

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