Deriving <v> from <x> - Introductory Quantum Mechanics

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on deriving the average velocity from the average position in the context of introductory quantum mechanics, specifically using Griffith's textbook. The equation for average position is established as $$\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int x|\Psi|^2\,dx$$. The average velocity is derived by differentiating the average position with respect to time, leading to the expression $$\frac{d\left\langle x \right\rangle}{dt} = \int x\frac{\delta}{\delta t}|\Phi|^2\,dx$$. The discussion clarifies that the position variable x is treated as a constant in this context, emphasizing its role as a fixed value associated with the state of the system rather than a time-dependent variable.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum mechanics principles, particularly wave functions and observables.
  • Familiarity with Griffith's textbook on introductory quantum mechanics.
  • Knowledge of integrals and derivatives in the context of physics.
  • Basic concepts of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in quantum mechanics.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of wave functions in quantum mechanics, focusing on their role in determining observables.
  • Learn about the mathematical treatment of operators in quantum mechanics, particularly position and momentum operators.
  • Explore the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in quantum state representation.
  • Investigate the relationship between time evolution of quantum states and their statistical properties.
USEFUL FOR

Students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, particularly those studying Griffith's textbook, as well as educators and researchers looking to clarify concepts related to average values and their derivations in quantum systems.

rem1618
Messages
14
Reaction score
0
(First post, hi everyone.)
I'm reading Griffith's textbook on intro to quantum mech right now. After establishing the following equation

$$\left\langle f(x) \right\rangle = \int f(x)p(x)\,dx$$

And thus

$$\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int x|\Psi|^2\,dx$$

He goes on to find ##\left\langle v \right\rangle## by taking the derivative with respect to time, and he writes

$$\frac{d\left\langle x \right\rangle}{dt} = \int x\frac{\delta}{\delta t}|\Phi|^2\,dx$$

which I don't completely understand. Why isn't the x inside the partial derivative? I'm not sure if it's a physical or mathematical concept I'm not grasping here.

I first thought x is the position, so it could be a function of time and written as x(t), but then I figure maybe x(t) doesn't really have any meaning from the statistical perspective. If it can be pulled out of that derivative, then it's just a...constant? Is there a physical meaning to that x or is it just an operator tool that makes the math work out?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Each state of definite x has an associated value of x, which is the x position that the state represents. It is this value of x which appears in the integral to find the average (weighted mean) of the observable x. It's something that is fixed - each definite x position state has an associated x value, which is the value of x that this state represents. The changes in state are changes in \psi - but the correspondence between eigenvectors and eigenvalues remains fixed.

Here are some examples

\mid x_1\rangle represents the state of being at x_1. Suppose our wave function is 100% at x_1. Then \mid \psi \rangle = \mid x_1 \rangle

\langle \hat{x}\rangle =x_1 \langle x_1 \mid x_1 \rangle = x_1

if instead we had \mid \psi \rangle = a_1(t)\mid x_1 \rangle + a_2(t)\mid x_2 \rangle

\langle \hat{x}\rangle = x_1|a_1(t)|^2 + x_2|a_2(t)|^2

So we have a weighted average of positions x_1 and x_2. I wouldn't make sense to have x_1 and x_2 change with time.

The integral \left\langle x \right\rangle = \int x|\Psi(x)|^2\,dx is like this only instead of two positions there are infinitely many.

The eigenvalue (which is the value of position) x_1 will always correspond to the state \mid x_1 \rangle. Hopefully this will make sense and be intuitive.
 
Last edited:
That helped a lot. Thank you :]
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 59 ·
2
Replies
59
Views
12K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K