What is the length of an electron's journey in its own frame of reference?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the length of an electron's journey in its own frame of reference, using the formula Lv = Lo / γ, where γ is the Lorentz factor. With a speed of 0.8c, the calculated length (Lv) is 90 meters, derived from a proper length (Lo) of 150 meters. Participants debate the appropriateness of using an electron, a quantum particle, for this calculation, arguing that its lack of a defined position complicates the concept of 'length of travel'. The consensus suggests that the question could have been framed better, potentially using a classical object instead.

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Homework Statement
How far does an electron travel in its own frame of reference if a laboratory observer measures its speed to be 0.8c and the length of its journey 150m
Relevant Equations
Lv = Lo/γ
Lv = Lo / γ

1/γ =√(1-v^2/c^2) = √(1-0.8^2) = 0.6

Therefore Lv = Lo x 0.6 = 150 x 0.6 = 90m

Therefore electron travels 90m in its own frame of reference (answer key solution)

However, shouldn't the electron be assigned rest length, Lo, as its frame of reference is at rest with itself instead of Lv?
 
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First of all, why an electron? That's a quantum particle that may have a measured momentum at one point from which a speed can be inferred, but it doesn't really have a defined position after that, and so no meaningful 'length of travel'. I'm just saying it could have been better expressed as some classic object.

bq1892 said:
However, shouldn't the electron be assigned rest length, Lo, as its frame of reference is at rest with itself instead of Lv?
Any object 'in its own frame of reference' is stationary by definition and therefore goes nowhere. That goes for a classic object at least. The idea of a stationary electron is pretty, well, oversimplified at least.

The question didn't ask about the length of the electron, in either frame.
 
Halc said:
First of all, why an electron? That's a quantum particle that may have a measured momentum at one point from which a speed can be derived, but it doesn't really have a defined position after that, and so no meaningful 'length'. I'm just saying it could have been better expressed as some classic object.Any object 'in its own frame of reference' is stationary by definition and therefore goes nowhere. That goes for a classic object at least. The idea of a stationary electron is pretty meaningless.

The question didn't ask about the length of the electron, in either frame.

Mb, should have expressed it better. I meant the length of the electron's journey as measured in its frame of reference.
 

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