General Relativity Problem (frames of reference)

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The problem involves a clock moving at a velocity of (3/5)c and seeks to determine the distance it will be from an observer's frame of reference when the clock reads 1:00, starting from 12:00. The subject area is general relativity, specifically focusing on frames of reference and time dilation.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Lorentz contraction and time dilation to find the distance traveled by the moving clock. There is an exploration of the correct interpretation of units and the implications of time dilation on the perceived distance.

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Some participants have identified a misunderstanding regarding the units of distance and speed, leading to a clarification of the calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the reasoning behind the distances calculated and how they relate to the time elapsed in different frames of reference.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the depth of discussion and exploration of concepts. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the definitions and calculations related to relativistic effects.

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Homework Statement


A clock moving at v = (3/5)c reads 12:00 as it passes us in our frame of reference, how far away will it be (in light hours) when it reads 1:00.

Homework Equations


I denote a prime to mean the reference frame of the clock at rest. I use regular lettering to denote 'our' frame of reference.

c = speed of light

t' = t/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
L' = L*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

L = v*t

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, I use Lorentz contraction to solve this problem.

First I find the length L using v and t = 1 hr. L = (3/5)c*1 hr = (3/5)c light hours.
Now, I use Lorentz contraction to find L'
L' = (3/5)c*sqrt(1-9/25)
L' = 12c/25
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


A clock moving at v = (3/5)c reads 12:00 as it passes us in our frame of reference, how far away will it be (in light hours) when it reads 1:00.

Homework Equations


I denote a prime to mean the reference frame of the clock at rest. I use regular lettering to denote 'our' frame of reference.

c = speed of light

t' = t/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
L' = L*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

L = v*t

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, I use Lorentz contraction to solve this problem.

First I find the length L using v and t = 1 hr. L = (3/5)c*1 hr = (3/5)c light hours.
Now, I use Lorentz contraction to find L'
L' = (3/5)c*sqrt(1-9/25)
L' = 12c/25
First of all, 12c/25 has units of speed, not distance.

When one hour elapses in "our" frame of reference, the clock has traveled 3/5 light⋅hour (in our frame).

From "our" point of view the moving clock runs slower than normal, so when the clock reads 1:00, it will have traveled farther than 3/5light⋅hours.
 
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Thank you for your assistance SammyS.

I see the difference now in light hours. When saying 12c/25, that is incorrect as it is a speed. I should have said 12/25 light hours. Noted.

In our FOR it is clear that the clock traveled a distance of 3/5 light hours.
So I can use time dilation here to see:

t' = \frac{1hr} {\sqrt{1-\frac{\frac{9c^2} {25}} {c^2}}}
t' = 1.25 hr

Therefore, we say the distance will be 1.25 hr * 3c/5 = 3/4 light hours.

3/4 light hours > 3/5 light hours

Is that now a correct line of reasoning?
 
RJLiberator said:
Thank you for your assistance SammyS.

I see the difference now in light hours. When saying 12c/25, that is incorrect as it is a speed. I should have said 12/25 light hours. Noted.

In our FOR it is clear that the clock traveled a distance of 3/5 light hours.
So I can use time dilation here to see:

t' = \frac{1hr} {\sqrt{1-\frac{\frac{9c^2} {25}} {c^2}}}
t' = 1.25 hr

Therefore, we say the distance will be 1.25 hr * 3c/5 = 3/4 light hours.

3/4 light hours > 3/5 light hours

Is that now a correct line of reasoning?
Yes. That's what I get.
 
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