Describing Set of Complex Numbers for which This Converges

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The discussion revolves around identifying the set of complex numbers \( z \) for which the series \( \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (1-z^2)^n \) converges. The problem is situated within the context of graduate-level complex analysis, focusing on series convergence criteria.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the necessary condition for convergence, particularly the modulus of the terms approaching zero. There is a discussion on the implications of the geometric series representation and the conditions under which it converges. Some participants question the validity of the original poster's conclusions regarding the set of \( z \) values.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential errors in the original reasoning, while others are seeking clarification on how to manipulate the modulus of complex numbers. There is a recognition of the need for further exploration of the conditions for convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexities of the modulus of complex numbers and the implications of their manipulations. There is a mention of using polar form and trigonometric identities to better understand the problem, indicating a need for deeper analysis of the geometric interpretation of the series.

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Homework Statement



Describe the set of all z \in \mathbb{C} such that the series \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (1-z^2)^n converges

Homework Equations



Basic analytic techniques.

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This is from a graduate complex analysis class, and I just have a feeling my answer is too obvious to be correct...

Basically, I used the necessary condition that the the sequence given by a_n = |(1-z^2)^n| must tend to 0 as n tends to infinity. In other words, we know the modulus of the terms must go to zero. Then, viewing the series as a geometric series, |(1-z^2)| < 1. From there it was a few simple steps to conclude the set is \lbrace z\in \mathbb{C} \: | \: 0<|z|<2 \rbrace.

Even as I read over this, it makes sense. But like I said, it's much too simple to be correct...what am I forgetting here?
 
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Your 'simple steps' are wrong. Whatever they are. |(1-z^2)|<1 looks ok. 0<|z|<2 doesn't. z=3/2 doesn't converge. z=i doesn't converge. I'd write z in polar form and try that again.
 
The reasoning described for determining the conditions necessary is missing a detail as well. Just because an goes to zero does not mean that the series will converge necessarily. It only works in this case specifically because we have a geometric series (and you can write out an explicit solution for the partial sums to see that it does converge)
 
Ah of course! A silly mistake...thanks for pointing it out.
 
Newtime said:
Ah of course! A silly mistake...thanks for pointing it out.

Actually, it wasn't a silly mistake. Upon revisiting this problem, for some reason I'm not seeing the answer. Where should I go after \vert 1-z^2\vert&lt;1 \leftrightarrow\vert 1- r^2e^{2i\theta} \vert &lt; 1? I've tried using the triangle inequality and I've also tried expanding into sine's and cosine's to no avail. I know this must have some relatively simple trick, but I don't know what...a nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
Newtime said:
Actually, it wasn't a silly mistake. Upon revisiting this problem, for some reason I'm not seeing the answer. Where should I go after \vert 1-z^2\vert&lt;1 \equiv \vert 1- r^2e^{2i\theta} \vert &lt; 1? I've tried using the triangle inequality and I've also tried expanding into sine's and cosine's to no avail. I know this must have some relatively simple trick, but I don't know what...a nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

-1 &lt; 1- z^{2} &lt; 1
-2 &lt; -z^{2} &lt; 0
0 &lt;z^{2} &lt; 2
0&lt; \left|z^{2} \right| = \left|z \right|^{2} &lt; 2

Can you complete it ?
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
-1 &lt; 1- z^{2} &lt; 1
-2 &lt; -z^{2} &lt; 0
0 &lt;z^{2} &lt; 2
0&lt; \left|z^{2} \right| = \left|z \right|^{2} &lt; 2

Can you complete it ?

Well your last line implies \vert z \vert &lt; \sqrt{2} but how can we get from \vert 1-z^2 \vert &lt;1 to -1 &lt; 1-z^2 &lt;1? The modulus of complex numbers and the absolute value of real numbers do not share this property.
 
Newtime said:
Well your last line implies \vert z \vert &lt; \sqrt{2} but how can we get from \vert 1-z^2 \vert &lt;1 to -1 &lt; 1-z^2 &lt;1? The modulus of complex numbers and the absolute value of real numbers do not share this property.

You are quite right about that. Write z=r*exp(i*theta) and try to write out what |1-z^2|<1 means in terms of r and theta.
 
Newtime said:
Well your last line implies \vert z \vert &lt; \sqrt{2} but how can we get from \vert 1-z^2 \vert &lt;1 to -1 &lt; 1-z^2 &lt;1? The modulus of complex numbers and the absolute value of real numbers do not share this property.
I need to stop browsing for the day. I am posting nonsense. Please, forgive my incorrect solution.

I do not know what possessed me to make such a claim.

I was even ordering complex numbers .
 
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Dick said:
You are quite right about that. Write z=r*exp(i*theta) and try to write out what |1-z^2|<1 means in terms of r and theta.

Right. So I have \vert 1-r^2e^{2i\theta} \vert &lt; 1. This is where I get stuck. In real calculus one can easily get rid of those pesky vertical bars, but here, I don't know where to go. Like I said above, I've tried invoking the triangle inequality but I come to something which doesn't help since it is a lower bound. I've also tried expanding the inside of the modulus into sine's and cosine's but that gets messier, then a little nicer, then messier.
 
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╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I need to stop browsing for the day. I am posting nonsense. Please, forgive my incorrect solution.

I do not know what possessed me to make such a claim.

I was even ordering complex numbers .

Don't worry about it; I appreciate your help. And after all, it's almost the same error I made to begin with!
 
  • #12
Newtime said:
Right. So I have \vert 1-r^2e^{2i\theta} \vert &lt; 1. This is where I get stuck. In real calculus one can easily get rid of those pesky vertical bars, but here, I don't know where to go. Like I said above, I've tried invoking the triangle inequality but I come to something which doesn't help since it is a lower bound. I've also tried expanding the inside of the modulus into sine's and cosine's but that gets messier, then a little nicer, then messier.

Yes, expand the inside in terms of sin's and cos's. You want to use that if a and b are real then |a+bi|=sqrt(a^2+b^2).
 
  • #13
Having solved the problem (finally), I see now my main (very, very silly) mistake: r^2e^{2i\theta} = r^2e^{i(2\theta)} = r^2(cos(2\theta) + isin(2\theta)) \neq r^2(cos^2(\theta) + isin^2(\theta)) which is the expansion I had been doing. So, it turns out the set is the interior of a lemniscate whose equation is immediate upon *properly* expanding into sine's and cosine's. Thanks for the help everyone.
 

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