Design a compressed air energy storage for a PV plant

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The discussion revolves around the design of a compressed air energy storage (CAES) system for a 5 kW photovoltaic (PV) plant. Participants explore various components of the system, including compressors, heat exchangers, air receivers, and thermal storage units, while focusing on the sizing of air tanks and the pressures required to store energy effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a preliminary design for a CAES system, including components like compressors and thermal storage, and seeks assistance with air tank sizing.
  • Several participants request a flow diagram or layout of the proposed CAES system to better understand the design.
  • Questions are raised about the specific energy storage and output requirements, with one participant suggesting that the maximum PV output should be considered for air tank sizing.
  • Another participant provides calculations relating energy storage to pressure and volume, presenting a table of values for different tank sizes and pressures.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the complexity of the design, highlighting factors such as internal and external pressures, temperature, and the polytropic exponent that must be considered in an adiabatic CAES system.
  • One participant suggests that the design is an optimization problem, recommending the creation of a table of possible values for size, pressure, and cost, while also noting the relationship between air storage size and total generation capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the optimal design parameters for the CAES system. Multiple competing views exist regarding the sizing and pressure requirements, as well as the complexity of the design considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific design requirements and constraints for the CAES system, indicating that further exploration of thermodynamic modeling and operational requirements for air motors is necessary.

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Summary:: Design compressed air energy storage for PV plant

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Hi All
For a PV project of 5 kW, we will use a CAES.
The preliminary design will consist of a compressor - 2 heat exchanger - Air receiver - air motor - generator - 2 water tanks as a thermal storage units to have an adiabatic systems.
For a 5 kW PV plant, an energy of 20 to 26 kWh is expected.
At this stage I don't have enough information about the components size and I want to start with the air tank size.
I want to study different sizes and different tank pressures which will accommodate a certain amount of energy.
Any help please?
 
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Welcome to PF. :smile:

Is this for schoolwork?
 
Ameen1985 said:
Summary:: Design compressed air energy storage for PV plant

Hi All
For a PV project of 5 kW, we will use a CAES.
The preliminary design will consist of a compressor - 2 heat exchanger - Air receiver - air motor - generator - 2 water tanks as a thermal storage units to have an adiabatic systems.
For a 5 kW PV plant, an energy of 20 to 26 kWh is expected.
At this stage I don't have enough information about the components size and I want to start with the air tank size.
I want to study different sizes and different tank pressures which will accommodate a certain amount of energy.
Any help please?
Please show a diagram of your proposed CAES system layout.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Is this for schoolwork?
Many thanks for your reply.
It’s for a Uni project
 
Ameen1985 said:
Many thanks for your reply.
It’s for a Uni project
Let’s see your flow diagram.
 
Chestermiller said:
Please show a diagram of your proposed CAES system layout.
Many thanks for your reply. It will be something like this
Untitled Diagram.png
 
And what are the design requirements and constraints vor the CAES?
 
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...specifically, how many kWh do you want to store and/or output? (I assume the generated number was per day).
 
russ_watters said:
...specifically, how many kWh do you want to store and/or output? (I assume the generated number was per day).

I thought for a preliminary design, I may should think of having an air bottle sufficient for the maximum PV output which is about 26 kWh per day. However, by taking into consideration the required load, about 14 kWh will be stored per day.
 
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Is this really the size of the problem ?
Code:
   1 W·hr = 3600 joule. 
   25 kW·hr = 25000 * 3600 = 90 megajoule
   Cubic metre * pascal = joule

   m3        MPa         Bar          psi
   10        9.000       90.000       1305.
   15        6.000       60.000        870.
   20        4.500       45.000        653.
   25        3.600       36.000        522.
   30        3.000       30.000        435.
   35        2.571       25.714        373.
   40        2.250       22.500        326.
   45        2.000       20.000        290.
   50        1.800       18.000        261.
 
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bigfooted said:
And what are the design requirements and constraints vor the CAES?

I am in the preliminary design stage, so I want to study different options of size vs pressure vs cost. Thermodynamic modelling and charts of different options will be enough now.
 
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Baluncore said:
Is this really the size of the problem ?
Code:
   1 W·hr = 3600 joule.
   25 kW·hr = 25000 * 3600 = 90 megajoule
   Cubic metre * pascal = joule

   m3        MPa         Bar          psi
   10        9.000       90.000       1305.
   15        6.000       60.000        870.
   20        4.500       45.000        653.
   25        3.600       36.000        522.
   30        3.000       30.000        435.
   35        2.571       25.714        373.
   40        2.250       22.500        326.
   45        2.000       20.000        290.
   50        1.800       18.000        261.

Many thanks for your reply but I wish it is that simple.
I think for an adiabatic CAES, the pressure outside and inside the vessel, the temperature, a polytropic exponent, and I am not sure is there anything else should be taken into consideration.
 
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Ameen1985 said:
I thought for a preliminary design, I may should think of having an air bottle sufficient for the maximum PV output which is about 26 kWh per day. However, by taking into consideration the required load, about 14 kWh will be stored per day.
...
I am in the preliminary design stage, so I want to study different options of size vs pressure vs cost.
Ok, so this is an optimization problem. You should put together a table listing the possible values. Note; the larger you make your air storage, the smaller your total generation gets.

You should research the requirements to run air motors; how much pressure and flow they need to operate. Then you can match that to a compressor and tank.
 

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