Design an OP AMP Power Supply for Audio Preamp

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around designing a power supply for an audio preamp using a single 9V battery. Participants explore the challenges of achieving stable reference voltages using a voltage divider to create +4.5V and -4.5V, particularly under load conditions, and the implications for signal clipping in the amplifier setup.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes using a voltage divider to obtain +4.5V and -4.5V from a single 9V battery, noting that the voltages shift under load, with the positive side increasing and the negative side decreasing.
  • Another participant suggests using two equal series resistors and an LM324 or LM358 as a voltage follower to stabilize the voltage, but acknowledges the need for low IC count due to battery constraints.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the current requirements for the next stage of the amplifier and raises concerns about early clipping of the negative half of the signal due to voltage shifts at the supply pins.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the resistor values in the voltage divider and the connection of the load to the op-amp output.
  • Participants discuss the configuration of the voltage divider, confirming that ground is referenced at the junction of the divider.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to stabilize the power supply voltages or the implications of the observed voltage shifts under load. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainty about the current requirements for the amplifier's next stage and the potential impact of the voltage divider configuration on performance. The discussion does not resolve the underlying issues related to voltage stability and signal integrity.

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Hello,

I am trying to design a foundation for an audio preamp that is powered by a single 9V battery. I am successful so far except the single power supply part. I am using the voltage divider scheme to get a +4.5V and a -4.5V reference voltages. With no load the supply voltages are close to even but when I add a load of say 1K the voltage shifts at the supply pins. The plus increases and the neg sides decreases. Do this mean the positive side is pulling more current and therefore dropping more voltage? The set up is 1mV AC input to non-inverting side with negative feedback for A = 100.
 
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How much current do you need at the midpoint between 0 and 9 volts? You could use two equal series resistors (e.g., 10k ohm) and a LM324 (or LM358) as a voltage follower to get a stable voltage. It can source/sink up to 8 milliamps.

Bob S
 
Thanks for the suggestion. I would to keep the IC count low as I am running on a 9V battery. I'm not sure what current I need yet as I have not considered the next stage of the amplifier. The main problem I am having is; due to this voltage offset at the supply pins my negative half of the signal is clipping to early as I adjust the gain. What would cause the supply levels to shift like that? I am using 2 10k resistor for the voltage divider with ground referenced in the middle of the V divider and the voltage + and - at either end of the divider.
 
neg_ion13 said:
Hello,

I am trying to design a foundation for an audio preamp that is powered by a single 9V battery. I am successful so far except the single power supply part. I am using the voltage divider scheme to get a +4.5V and a -4.5V reference voltages. With no load the supply voltages are close to even but when I add a load of say 1K the voltage shifts at the supply pins. The plus increases and the neg sides decreases. Do this mean the positive side is pulling more current and therefore dropping more voltage? The set up is 1mV AC input to non-inverting side with negative feedback for A = 100.

Using 2 9V batteries would probably be cleaner. Or invert the 9V with a DC-DC to give you the negative rail.
 
neg_ion13 said:
Hello,

I am trying to design a foundation for an audio preamp that is powered by a single 9V battery. I am successful so far except the single power supply part. I am using the voltage divider scheme to get a +4.5V and a -4.5V reference voltages. With no load the supply voltages are close to even but when I add a load of say 1K the voltage shifts at the supply pins. The plus increases and the neg sides decreases. Do this mean the positive side is pulling more current and therefore dropping more voltage? The set up is 1mV AC input to non-inverting side with negative feedback for A = 100.

What value are the resistors in your voltage divider?

If one side of your load is connected to the output of the opamp, where is the other side of your load connected?
 
As I said in my first reply 2 10ks. The other side of the load is connected to ground.
 
Sorry, I missed your reference to the 2 10Ks.

Where is ground, at the junction of your voltage divider or -9V?
 
At the junction of my voltage divider. So I have +4.5 at the top, ground ref in middle and -4.5 at bottom. Also, I made sure my op amp output offset was zero volts with the non-inverting input connected to ground.
 

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