Fried my power supply by doing a bad thing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a malfunctioning Multicomp 0-30V 0-5 amp power supply that was damaged after being connected incorrectly. Participants explore potential causes of the issue, including component failures and the design of the power supply, while discussing the implications of various observations and measurements taken from the device.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the power supply's symptoms, noting it goes into current limit at low voltage and suggesting a possible short on the output terminals.
  • Another participant speculates that the issue could be a reverse protection diode or a fried series voltage regulator transistor.
  • Some participants propose that the multiple pairs of wires from the transformer may serve various functions, such as providing different voltage outputs or isolating the output from the controls.
  • There is a suggestion that the current sense resistor may have failed, leading to the inability to draw current.
  • A participant mentions the importance of visual inspection, particularly after experiencing sparks or smoke, and suggests posting images of the circuit boards for further analysis.
  • Another participant discusses the need to confirm the condition of a diode connected across the output and the potential specifications for a replacement if needed.
  • There is a recommendation to disconnect components to narrow down the source of a short circuit, as indicated by low resistance measurements across the output.
  • One participant shares their experience with a similar issue, identifying a fried LM324 in their power supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of hypotheses about the cause of the power supply's failure, with no consensus reached on the specific issue or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the potential components that may have failed and the design of the power supply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their assessments due to the lack of a schematic and the unknown nature of the circuit connections, which complicates troubleshooting efforts.

  • #31
Tom.G said:
There used to be chargers that would tell you almost instantly if you connected a battery backwards.

The rectifier was a few metal plates coated with Selenium, a high current would of course overheat the rectifier.

The aroma was rather strong and reminiscent of rotten eggs... not something you would soon forget.

https://www.google.com/search?q=selenium+rectifier+smell

IIRC they were used in the high voltage supplies for TV picture tubes.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_rectifier#:~:text=A selenium rectifier is a,rectifiers in the late 1960s.
225px-Selenium_Rectifier.jpg
 
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  • #32
I seem to recall seeing those in old tube radios. Rectifier for the plate supply. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I recall working on a record player that used just two tubes they each had 35 volt filaments. Wired in series and burned up the remainder in a power resistor. Must have had a selenium rectifier for the plate supply.
 
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  • #33
Averagesupernova said:
35 volt filaments.
Some old sets I remember working on had 117 volt filaments.
 
  • #34
dlgoff said:
IIRC they were used in the high voltage supplies for TV picture tubes.
Nah... A Selenium plate is only good for 20V or so.

The TV high voltage rectifer was the 1B3 vacuum tube, peak plate voltage of 26,000V and a 1.25V filament. The filament was also fed from a winding on the flyback transformer, which of course was floating at the rectified HV DC.

1B3 data sheet at:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct.../1/1G3GT.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2nEe3LzCQJ3fW69uU8LwQN
 
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  • #35
dlgoff said:
IIRC they were used in the high voltage supplies for TV picture tubes.
High-voltage stick rectifiers were made from silicon rectifier pellets, stacked end to end. I don't believe HV "stick rectifiers" were ever made from selenium diodes.

Selenium was used in some lower voltage "metal rectifiers" which needed a stack of oxide coated cooling fins.
 
  • #36
Baluncore said:
High-voltage stick rectifiers were made from silicon rectifier pellets, stacked end to end.
I recall those. You could lose a few and get by. But too many go missing from the stack and that is inviting trouble.
 
  • #37
Averagesupernova said:
I recall those. You could lose a few and get by. But too many go missing from the stack and that is inviting trouble.
Each diode pellet was similarly leaky, like having a parallel resistor, so the reverse voltage was shared equally by all the diodes in the stack. The least leaky diode would drop the most voltage and so go short first, followed by a cascade of failures as each carried a greater voltage burden than before.

The 1S2 EHT tripler tube had much going for it. It wore an aluminium cap, that made the dust stand on end.
 
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