Designing a polymer coating process

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on designing a process for achieving uniform coverage of a hydrophilic surface with a thin film of polymer solution, specifically using a mechanical pipette without automated machinery. Participants explore various methods, potential additives, and the development of a mathematical model to guide the experimental process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their current method of applying a polymer suspension and expresses concerns about achieving uniform coverage, noting issues with polymer concentration along the drying front.
  • Another participant suggests alternative coating methods such as spin coating, polymerizable surfactants, or CVD processes, although they acknowledge limitations with CVD due to handling reactive gases.
  • A later reply mentions the possibility of using sputtering and substrate bias to explore new structural motifs, indicating a shift in approach based on the discussion.
  • One participant proposes using a polymerizable thiol terminated surfactant for coating a gold sputtered surface, suggesting it could provide a robust monolayer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on methods for achieving uniform polymer coverage, with no consensus on a single approach or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal process and mathematical modeling.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mathematical modeling of polymer distribution and the effects of evaporation and diffusion, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts.

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Hi everybody.

My goal is to design a process that, with no automated machinery (I'm using a mechanical pipette), would allow for extremely uniform coverage (that is, with minimal area of multilayers or empty spaces) of a hydrophilic surface with a thin film of polymer solution.

I would also like some pointers on where to get help on writing a mathematical model for this.

I am using a stock polymer suspension in water. The concentration of this suspension can be varied widely. Currently I'm taking a small microliter size portion of this stock suspension and dripping it onto the surface of a substrate cut into exactly 1 cm2 squares. Then I let it dry. This seems too crude. I'm thinking of adding additives such as detergents or other polymers, changing temperature, or changing humidity, but would like a mathematical model to help guide my experiment.

how do I define the conditions such that the sample is dry and only the polymer remains?

how do I calculate the distribution of the polymers on the surface? Is there an analytical model? It is NOT uniform because the polymers are concentrated along the drying front; as water evaporates, the polymers do not, and get concentrated, yet diffusion of the polymers in water is much slower than evaporation (by my observations), and they get 'stuck' on the edges.

I keep looking at the diffusion equation and I have no idea how to use it, but there's no other equation to use.
 
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Can you spin coat?
Or use a polymerizable surfactant or a CVD process as is used in parylene coatings?
 
chemisttree said:
Can you spin coat?
Or use a polymerizable surfactant or a CVD process as is used in parylene coatings?

the spincoating article is helpful. we cannot use CVD; we can't handle reactive gases. all we can do is sputtering. MAYBE we can do substrate bias and sputter the substrate itself, that would actually open up a lot of new structural motifs. I think I've already found a related article.

thank you so much for the help.
 
A polymerizable thiol terminated surfactant would coat a gold sputtered surface in a monolayer from solution and should be robust enough to remain intact during rinsing. Fairly straightforward manipulation, IMO.
 

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