Designing a reflection sundial for the southern hemisphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design and construction of a reflecting sundial, specifically one modeled after Sir Isaac Newton's design, intended for use in the southern hemisphere. Participants explore the underlying concepts, practical construction methods, and the implications of geographical factors such as latitude and orientation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how a reflecting sundial works, including the concepts behind its operation and construction methods.
  • Another participant notes that the sundial casts a spot of light rather than a line, allowing for time and seasonal markings on the ceiling.
  • A participant describes their experience constructing a sundial in the northern hemisphere, detailing the placement of a mirror and the method of marking the ceiling with dots at specific times over two years.
  • This participant mentions the creation of analemmas and the challenges of painting the curves permanently on the ceiling.
  • Additional resources are shared, including links to further information on sundials and a talk about a similar project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to constructing a reflecting sundial, with no consensus on a single method or understanding of the underlying concepts. The discussion remains open with differing experiences and suggestions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention geographical factors such as latitude and orientation, which may influence the design and functionality of the sundial. There are also references to the challenges of data collection and the impact of environmental factors like clouds and shadows.

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Hello,

My aim is to build a small reflecting sundial as designed by Sir Isaac Newton.

I found from a website that it consists of a ceiling and a small mirror. What I want to know is how it works, the concepts behind it and how to build one. It's for an undergraduate project that I've got.

What I've learned is that it depends on the latitude, longitude and orientation of the building.
Resource : http://interiorsundials.tripod.com

Can anybody help me ?
 
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Jadaav said:
Hello,

My aim is to build a small reflecting sundial as designed by Sir Isaac Newton.

I found from a website that it consists of a ceiling and a small mirror. What I want to know is how it works, the concepts behind it and how to build one. It's for an undergraduate project that I've got.

What I've learned is that it depends on the latitude, longitude and orientation of the building.
Resource : http://interiorsundials.tripod.com

Can anybody help me ?
One advantage of such a dial is that it casts a spot instead of a line. This means you could mark the ceiling so as to tell you not only the hour but the time of year.
The easiest way would be just to set up the mirror and mark the ceiling where the light falls. Of course, you don't want to do that once an hour every hour for 365 days. Anyway, the sun would not always be shining. But you could collect enough samples that you could then fill in the gaps by interpolation.
There's a bit mor information here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial#Reflection_sundials
 
I'm in the northern hemisphere, but I'm nearly done constructing such a sundial on the ceiling of my study. I'm an engineer, not an astronomer, so it's been very educational.

What I did: I placed a small chip of mirror about 10 mm x 25mm horizontally on a window ledge about a meter below the ceiling of a south facing room.

I set alarms on my watch for just before the hour and just before the half hour, all day long. (I also did 15 minutes and 45 minutes but I recommend omitting those. Too much data!) At precisely those times, I put a small sticky dot on the ceiling marked with the date and time. I repeated as often as possible (given clouds, tree shadows, etc) for about two year. I recently drew in the curves in chalk connecting each (e.g.) 11:00 dot. The result is a series of analemmas drawn on the ceiling. I've also added the straight line for the equinoxes and curves for the path of the sun's dot on the solstices.

It's about time to paint the curves permanently, which promises to be tricky. The project has taken quite a while. Let me know if you have questions.
 
I almost forgot: Here's a talk on how one woman did a similar project:
 

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