Designing a Solar Oven for Denture Moulds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a solar oven intended for forming denture moulds. Participants explore various methods of heating, including the use of solar panels, heating filaments, and alternative heating mechanisms such as air compressors. The conversation touches on efficiency, insulation materials, and energy storage considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests designing an insulated box with double-pane glass to create a greenhouse effect while incorporating solar panels and a heating filament.
  • Another participant argues against using heating elements and solar panels, proposing instead to maximize sunlight intake with a parabolic reflector for better efficiency.
  • Questions arise about the feasibility of using solar panels to store energy in batteries for later use with heating coils, particularly for cloudy days.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the energy output of solar panels and their ability to heat a coil filament effectively, along with inquiries about the differences between series and parallel configurations of solar panels.
  • A suggestion is made to use a small DC air compressor for heating, utilizing sunlight to preheat air and enhance efficiency through a heat pump effect.
  • Participants discuss the potential for compressors to operate on solar power while also considering the efficiency of direct heating methods versus using compressors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to heating the solar oven, with some advocating for direct sunlight use and others suggesting the integration of solar panels and compressors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal method for heating and energy storage.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various materials for insulation, including cardboard and ceramics, but do not reach a consensus on the best options. There are also unresolved questions about the specific energy requirements for different heating methods and the efficiency of solar panels in this context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in solar energy applications, DIY solar oven projects, or those exploring alternative heating methods for specific uses such as dental mould formation.

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Hello

I am designing a solar oven that will be used to form denture moulds.
My thoughts are designing an insulated box with a doubloe pane glass double creating a green house effect.

But i would like to incorporate solar panels and a wired heated filament.

My question is what is the best wire filament to heat a box to 150 degrees celsius
and how many solar panels will it take to power a filament for an hour.

thank you
 
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Don't bother with the heating element and solar panels. The efficiency of the solar panels (~15-20%) will make the heating element overall much less efficient than piping sunlight straight into the box. Remember that sunlight is about 1000 W/m^2, so if you want more heat flux in the oven your best bet will be to increase the amount of light going into the box with a reflector. We made a solar oven in college using a parabolic reflector that could melt copper, so I think you can make one that gets hot enough for dental molds.
 
mr. MECH

Is it possible to use the solar panels to store energy into batteries for coil usage.
ex. if i leave the solar oven out for three days is it possible to use coils than?

also what materials did you use to insulate your chamber, your outer case and inner casing

sorry if I am stressing with these panels and coils my professor wants them

ty
 
sharma026 said:
Is it possible to use the solar panels to store energy into batteries for coil usage. ex. if i leave the solar oven out for three days is it possible to use coils than?

Sure it's possible, but I'm not sure there's a real advantage unless you want to use the over on a cloudy day.

sharma026 said:
also what materials did you use to insulate your chamber, your outer case and inner casing

Haha we used carbdoard, but for a long-term solution I would use some sort of ceramic.

sharma026 said:
sorry if I am stressing with these panels and coils my professor wants them

ty

Why? Use on a non-sunny day.
 
yes exactly for non-sunny days
i am so confused with solar panels. Whats the difference in series and parallel? If I am heating a resistant coil do i need more amps or voltage?
my main concern is if solar panels can generate enough energy to heat up a coil filament. and if so how many solar panels do i need to achieve this goal.
i am a newbie and in need of help
it would also be much appreciative if anyone has helpful data sheets on solar panels

thank you
 
A small DC air compressor would do a much better job of heating a space than a filament.
Use sunlight to preheat the air feeding the compressor, and pass the compressed air through a heat exchanger before leaving the insulated space.
This should let you double dip, and get a heat pump effect.
A passive solar oven might get hot enough, with a few changes.
 
so use solar panels to power the air compressor? how much energy do i need to operate one?

also what do you mean by dump dip creating a heat pump effect?
 
I think john is suggesting you use a compressor and pressure tank to store energy rather than solar panels and a battery. Problem is, the compressor would need to run on solar panels anyway and would also need to be used as a turbine, so my gut feel is that direct to battery and a heating coil would be more efficient overall.
 
Correct, a small 12 V compressor run off of the solar panels, with the compressor and heat exchanger in the heated space. All of the work done to turn the compressor stays in the box in the form of heat(Just like a coil). You also get adiabatic heating of the preheated air via compression. A heating coil can only have a efficiency of 1, A heat pump could go higher. This is an example of the type of compressor I am talking about, http://www.google.com/products/cata...=X&ei=NbTfTuXYGuGgsQLk-oirBw&ved=0CJcBEPMCMAI
You would also need a way of slowing down the hot compressed air to allow it's heat to stay in the heated space.
 

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