Designing a space ship and with the dust shield

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a dust shield for a fictional spaceship intended for an expedition to Alpha Centauri, set a few centuries in the future. Participants explore various concepts for protecting the ship from collisions with dust and micro-meteors at high velocities (12-15% the speed of light), considering both theoretical and practical implications of different shielding materials and technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the shape of the shield could influence its effectiveness in deflecting impacts rather than absorbing them.
  • Another proposes using neutronium as a potential material for the shield, arguing it would be highly effective, though this is deemed impractical for the story's context.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of using strong magnetic fields to deflect charged particles and the feasibility of energy-based shields over a long journey.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of maintaining powered shields for the duration of a 30-year trip.
  • Fuel is suggested as a potential shield, with ideas about using hydrogen mist to absorb impacts from dust particles.
  • Participants explore the idea of using superheavy elements or dense materials for shielding, while also considering the mass and fuel consumption implications of such designs.
  • There is speculation about the use of a long nose cone to allow reaction products from impacts to escape without damaging the ship.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of various proposed shielding methods, including the use of liquid/ferrite dust/nano armor held by magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and hypotheses regarding the design of the shield, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Disagreements exist regarding the feasibility and effectiveness of various materials and technologies proposed for shielding against high-speed impacts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in technology and materials available to the ship's crew, emphasizing the need for realism in the story's context. There are unresolved questions regarding the energy requirements and practicality of maintaining certain shielding technologies over long durations.

  • #31
DHF said:
Agreed on that last part, most of the numbers and finer details that we discuss here won't be laid out in the story, I will focus on the characters and story. Most of this is for my benefit, I want to have a full understanding of how my ship works, if I understand how all the parts fit together then I can write more effectively.

As to the Ram Scoop, but I abandoned it early on as I feel there are far too many hurtles to overcome, the least of which is the fact that it relies on P+P+P+P fusion which I really don't think humans will master for many centuries to come, there is a good chance we never may. My story is set a couple hundred years forward so I am trying to stick to tech that we have on the drawing board now. like D-T fusion and a star Tram like launch system to get things in orbit.

Have you considered the RAIR (ram-augmented interstellar rocket)?

The idea is to use the interstellar material as reaction mass rather than propellant. This requires a significant amount of anti-matter, but the reaction process is not only more efficient, it happens at a lower temperatures.

The main problems are securing enough antimatter and to a lessor degree, a mechanism to boost the space vehicle (SV) to a velocity where the ram scoop provides reaction mass. However, if you resolve the antimatter problems, you probably won't be too stuck with a mechanism to get the SV moving fast enough for the ram scoop to become operational.

Lastly, if the ram scoop drive is not your thing, maybe the scoop is all you need to resolve your shielding needs. A laser could be used to create an ionization field in front of the SV and the scoop is used to create a powerful EM field. You would essentially have a magnetic bottle at its throat, but periodic pulsing the field at the throat could release the material to pass through the central core of the SV.

You need large amounts of energy to work the laser and its EM field, but you are already at that technological point if you have some form of drive that can reach .15C.

I'll also reiterate what I said earlier. Alastair Reynolds created a star drive using Chebesa physics. What's Chebesa physics? He made it up and never explained a word of how it works. I get the feeling that if you could see his detailed notes on the subject it would probably be no more than a paragraph long and he never addressed the issue of how to avoid interstellar matter, either.

But if you want to create a hypothetical system I think the EM scoop might be a good way to start. You could always write that the Bussard Ram Scoop was a failed idea, but it did lead to the development of something called the EM Scoop (EM = Electro-Magnetic), which opened the door to the first interstellar spacecraft s by providing a protective shield... bla, bla, bla.

Just thinking out of the box a little.
 
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  • #32
Any chance of using artificial gravity generators to alter the trajectory of any incoming foreign objects? if they're a technology that is within the era of your book.
 
  • #33
Sirsh said:
Any chance of using artificial gravity generators to alter the trajectory of any incoming foreign objects? if they're a technology that is within the era of your book.
When you say artificial gravity, I envision something providing the interior of the ship with an environment for the crew to move about normally, I don't see how that would effect incoming objects. Please let me know what you had in mind.

Ultimately I think I will be going with the shield design mfb suggested, over all it would be the cheapest option and require minimal power to maintain. It relies on using physical objects and dispersion over distance to deflect incoming matter. I quite like the elegance in that.
 
  • #34
I agree that the shield is your best and most realistic option. To quote off of the Atomic Rocket Website,

"As a side note, a Whipple shield is very effective at stopping hypervelocity weapons. With kinetic weapons at closing velocities in excess of 10 km/sec, you're getting into the realm where armor is less important than blow-through. For armor, you want something that will resist being turned into a plasma for as long as is possible, followed by gaps made of vacuum to make it a Whipple shield." http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardefense.php

Considering that space debris will basically be hyper-velocity projectiles, a Whipple shield will be one of the better options. As for material, it doesn't have to be super fancy, even carbon will do. My suggestion is to read up on the atomic rocket site for more information on basically anything you need.
 
  • #35
ooo make a ship out of diamond. Not clear, still opaque but light and shiny.
 

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