Destroying a Building Using a Lens

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving optics, specifically the use of a lens to focus sunlight onto a target. The original poster presents a scenario where a giant lens is to be mounted to melt down a student commons, raising questions about the focal length and radius of curvature needed for the lens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between focal length and radius of curvature for a plano-convex lens, with some questioning the assumptions made regarding the focal length and the curvature of the lens. There is also a discussion about the validity of the equations used in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the original poster's approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations relevant to the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation or solution.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the problem's setup, particularly concerning the assumptions about the lens's properties and the definitions of distance in the context of optics. Additionally, there are references to real-world implications of focusing sunlight, which may influence the discussion but do not directly address the homework problem.

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Homework Statement
I want to mount a giant burning lens on the new engineering building and melt down the student commons. The lens will sit 60 m away from the commons (laterally) and tower 40 m above its roof. I can only afford to grind one side of the giant lens to be spherical, so the other side will have to be flat. The glass will have an index of 1.5. What radius of curvature in m is needed to focus the suns rays onto the commons?
Relevant Equations
(1/s) + (1/s') = 1/f = (n-1)[(1/R1) - (1/R2)]
(n1/s) + (n2/s') = (n2 - n1)/R
Putting the questionable nature of my professor's problem-writing aside, I found this question pretty confusing. I assumed that 60 m was the focal length, and that R1 was infinity since it is a flat surface. This gives me:
1/60 = (1.5 - 1)[(1/∞) - (1/R2)]
This gave me R2 = 30 m, but that isn't correct.
 
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ab200 said:
Homework Statement: I want to mount a giant burning lens on the new engineering building and melt down the student commons. The lens will sit 60 m away from the commons (laterally) and tower 40 m above its roof. I can only afford to grind one side of the giant lens to be spherical, so the other side will have to be flat. The glass will have an index of 1.5. What radius of curvature in m is needed to focus the suns rays onto the commons?
Relevant Equations: (1/s) + (1/s') = 1/f = (n-1)[(1/R1) - (1/R2)]
(n1/s) + (n2/s') = (n2 - n1)/R

Putting the questionable nature of my professor's problem-writing aside, I found this question pretty confusing. I assumed that 60 m was the focal length, and that R1 was infinity since it is a flat surface. This gives me:
1/60 = (1.5 - 1)[(1/∞) - (1/R2)]
This gave me R2 = 30 m, but that isn't correct.
What is distance?
 
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@hutchphd's queston is well worth considering but there is an additional issue with your answer.
ab200 said:
1/60 = (1.5 - 1)[(1/∞) - (1/R2)]
In terms of symbols this becomes

1/s=-(n-1)/R

Is this the correct equation for a plano-convex lens? Look it up.
 
hutchphd said:
What is distance?
I got it! Thanks for the tip.
 
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FWIW, I've read of fires started by sunlight focussed onto adjacent, readily flammable material by the curve of a vase or clear bottle, even the dished base of a drinks can. IIRC, the latter, 'merely' thoughtlessly tossed roadside trash, was determined to be the surprising source of a massive 'bush-fire'...

Let's not forget architectural howlers such as the US and UK skyscrapers whose curved glazed facades did their best to 'Death_Star Zap' their neighbourhood until re-fitted with louvred shades...
 
Nik_2213 said:
I've read of fires started by sunlight focussed
Please link to a credible source. You've been here long enough to know that "I've read somewhere" is not a valid source for PF. Thanks.
 
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This poor MacGregor owner almost had his boat burn to the pavement from a warped mirror in the head*!



* bathroom, for you landlubbers
 
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