Detection of gravitrons by plants?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between plant growth mechanisms and the concept of gravitons, particularly whether plants' gravity receptors could be sensing these hypothetical particles. Participants explore the roles of gravity and light in plant growth, as well as the implications of detecting gravitons through biological systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the relationship between phytochromes and gravity receptors in plants might suggest that these receptors are sensing gravitons.
  • Others argue that plants grow correctly primarily due to their attraction to light, not because they detect gravitons.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of detecting gravitons through plant receptors, emphasizing the distinction between detecting gravity and detecting gravitons.
  • Some contributions mention that plants can grow properly in microgravity, challenging the necessity of gravity for directional growth.
  • There are claims that the majority of plants follow gravity directly, with some participants seeking studies to support or refute the influence of heat from light on plant growth direction.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of plant growth and the role of gravitons, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of gravitons and gravity receptors, as well as the assumptions made about plant growth in different environmental conditions. Some participants reference external studies and articles without consensus on their implications.

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Since plants contain proteins that help them identify gravity in order to grow the right way, and they also contain phytochromes that recongize photons, could a possible relationship between phytochromes and the gravity receptors within plants indicate that the gravity sensors are actually sensing particles (aka gravitrons)? If my idea is flawed please explain how. Thank you!
 
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You don't need sophisticated equipment to detect gravity, something on the end of a string will usually suffice.
 
Plants grow 'the right way' not because they are detecting gravitons, but because they are attracted to light (from the sun for free range plants) which helps to nourish the plant.
 
But would similarities between these molecules infer a presence of gravitons?
 
But don't plants also grow through the presence of gravity?
 
SteamKing said:
Plants grow 'the right way' not because they are detecting gravitons, but because they are attracted to light (from the sun for free range plants) which helps to nourish the plant.

While completely underground (i.e., in the dark), a seed will "know" in which direction to grow roots and in which direction to grow the stem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitropism

nst.john said:
Since plants contain proteins that help them identify gravity in order to grow the right way, and they also contain phytochromes that recongize photons, could a possible relationship between phytochromes and the gravity receptors within plants indicate that the gravity sensors are actually sensing particles (aka gravitrons)? If my idea is flawed please explain how. Thank you!

There are no such things as "gravitrons." Did you mean gravitons?
 
nst.john said:
But would similarities between these molecules infer a presence of gravitons?
No. They work in completely different ways.
 
nst.john said:
Since plants contain proteins that help them identify gravity in order to grow the right way, and they also contain phytochromes that recongize photons, could a possible relationship between phytochromes and the gravity receptors within plants indicate that the gravity sensors are actually sensing particles (aka gravitrons)? If my idea is flawed please explain how. Thank you!

Interesting ; but this NASA article (about experimental growth in micro-g) surprisingly shows plants (and their root systems) don't need gravity in order to grow in proper direction . But what does NASA know. ;))
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/tages.html

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There's something utterly puzzling with this topic.

We can detect mass, and the Higgs field is responsible (partially) for the presence of mass. Yet, this doesn't mean we can detect the Higgs boson, which is naively, the excitation of the Higgs field. Look at how difficult it is to coax the Higgs out that we can detect it!

So what makes you think that we can detect this "graviton" by using these "gravity receptors" in plants? It is one thing to detect gravity. Do not confuse the presence of gravity with an actual detection of "gravitons"! You simply cannot discard ALL the lessons we have learned in our detection of all the known interactions.

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This is all true. Thanks for answering my question
 
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SteamKing said:
Plants grow 'the right way' not because they are detecting gravitons, but because they are attracted to light (from the sun for free range plants) which helps to nourish the plant.
If you place the light source below a plant, the plant will still grow upwards against gravity (Gravitropism) but the leaves will twist to face the light below.
 
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P.S. My dog has a built in graviton detector also; he stands upright , walks upright, and grows upright against gravity...except when I give him a bowl of Jack Daniels...it disables his graviton detector and he can't tell the difference between up and down.:devil: (Don't tell PETA.):-p
;))
 
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Plant growth

The majority of plants grow up to the surface because of heat in turn energy the bottom tends to grow in the opposite direction because of evolution telling it that the most resistance to uprooting is strait down and out you can prove this with a potted plant if you keep the UV rays on the plant on about a thirty degree angle then let it grow you can pull all the soil up and see that the majority of the roots are in the opposite direction of the light as well as does gravity's natural affect bringing it down a little but the plant isn't focused on that it is simply something naturally occurring.
 
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mr.jonson said:
The majority of plants grow up to the surface because of heat in turn energy the bottom tends to grow in the opposite direction because of evolution telling it that the most resistance to uprooting is strait down and out you can prove this with a potted plant if you keep the UV rays on the plant on about a thirty degree angle then let it grow you can pull all the soil up and see that the majority of the roots are in the opposite direction of the light as well as does gravity's natural affect bringing it down a little but the plant isn't focused on that it is simply something naturally occurring.

Im pretty sure this isn't the case, most plants are know to follow gravity directly. Do you know of any studies that show heat from light is a major factor?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitropism
This paper has a more detailed explanation of the phenomenon:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10498965
 

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