Determinant of an n x n matrix

  • Thread starter Thread starter Unredeemed
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Determinant Matrix
Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on finding the determinant of a specific n x n matrix. The initial approach involved using expansion by minors, but the participants realized that applying elementary row operations (EROs) simplifies the process significantly. By subtracting the first column from the others, the matrix transforms into a more manageable form, allowing for easier computation of the determinant. Ultimately, the determinant is determined to be (-1)^(n-1)*n, derived from the resulting upper triangular matrix. The use of EROs proved to be an effective strategy for solving the problem.
Unredeemed
Messages
120
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Find the determinant of the matrix given by:

\begin{array}{ccc}
1 & 2 & 3 & ... & n \\
2 & 2 & 3 & ... & n \\
3 & 3 & 3 & ... & n \\
. & . & . & & . \\
. & . & . & & . \\
. & . & . & & . \\
n & n & n & ... & n \end{array}



Homework Equations



We use expansion by minors to find determinants.


The Attempt at a Solution



So, I computed the matrix for n = 1, 2, 3 and 4 and so reckon I need to show that the determinant is equal to (-1)^(n-1)*n.

I tried expanding by minors in the last row, but that just seems to give me a load of slightly smaller matrices of which I must find the determinant...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Do you have to use expansion by minors on the original matrix? It is easy to simplify this matrix a lot with row (or column) operations, and determine the determinant afterwards in a very simple expansion.
 
In what way can you transform the determinant without changing its final value?
 
mfb said:
Do you have to use expansion by minors on the original matrix? It is easy to simplify this matrix a lot with row (or column) operations, and determine the determinant afterwards in a very simple expansion.

Row operations hadn't crossed my mind! (Feel a bit foolish seeing as the chapter is on determinants and row operations!)

That's a really good point though. Will have a go using EROs now.

EDIT: Done! Thanks a lot. Once you use EROs, the answer pretty much drops out. For anyone who's interested, you take the 1st column away from all the other columns and then expand by minors in the bottom row as it has an n as its first entry and then the rest are zeros. So, you get (-1)^(n-1)*n multiplied by the determinant of an upper triangular matrix with ones as the entries for all of its diagonals - so its determinant is one. Thanks again.
 
Last edited:
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
895
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K