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The discussion revolves around determining the force exerted by water on an orifice plate as water flows through a pipe. Participants explore the application of the linear momentum equation in the context of fluid dynamics, considering the pressures at two points and the velocity of the water. The problem involves concepts from both momentum balance and potentially conservation of energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to apply the linear momentum equation and mentions the pressures at points A and B, questioning the correct approach to integrate volume and apply the equation.
  • Another participant suggests performing a momentum balance to determine the force the plate exerts on the water, prompting a discussion about the net pressure force and the rate of change of momentum.
  • There is a proposal that the control surface integral could be expressed as ρV²A, and a question about how to relate density and velocity to force is raised.
  • A later reply asserts that the rate of change of momentum within the control surface is zero, implying that the density and velocity do not need to be known for this specific calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the application of the linear momentum equation versus conservation of energy. There is no consensus on the correct method to use or the interpretation of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration of variables and the relationship between density, velocity, and force. The discussion reflects a reliance on assumptions about the ideal fluid and the conditions of flow, which may not be fully articulated.

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Homework Statement


As water flows through the pipe at a velocity of 5 m/s, it encounters the orifice plate, which has a hole in its center. The pressure at A is 255 kPa , and at B it is 180 kPa, Assume water is ideal fluid, that is, incompressible and frictionless. Determine the force the water exerts on the plate. Consider the volume of water between A and B as a control volume and apply linear momentum equation.

Homework Equations


F = d/dt ∫ρVdv + ∫Vρ(V•n)dA

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I have velocity of 5 m/s, which is constant.
The density of the water should remain constant throughout time and space
I have two pressures
The area I used was π(200mm - 75mm)2

But I don't know what to do with volume, the integrals, anything. I don't even know if I'm using the right equation. Is this a Conservation of Energy equation instead? I know that has explicit pressure terms . . . But the problem says linear momentum . . . So do I use ρA + ρA?
 

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To determine the force that the water exerts on the plate, you need to determine the force that the plate exerts on the water. To do that, you need to do a momentum balance. If the inlet and outlet flows and velocities are the same, what is the rate of change of momentum of the fluid in passing through the control volume? What is the net pressure force acting on the fluid in the control volume? What other force is acting on the fluid in the direction of flow?

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So are you saying the CS integral will simply be ρV2A, and the other term will be ρV(dv/dt). Since you said a rate of change. And I don't know how to relate explicitly density and velocity to force
 
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So are you saying the CS integral will simply be ρV2A, and the other term will be ρV(dv/dt). Since you said a rate of change. And I don't know how to relate explicitly density and velocity to force
The rate of change of momentum within the control surface is zero:

[ρV2A]out-[ρV2A]in=0

So you don't have to know ρ and you don't have to know V.
 

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