Determine moment of Inertia from resistance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a drum that weighs 2000kg and has a diameter of 1200mm, particularly in the context of a tension force of 3000N acting on the rim. Participants explore the implications of this tension on the required torque to move the drum at 6rpm, as well as the effects of a sprocket ratio on the torque calculation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the starting torque required to move the drum, noting the tension acting on it.
  • Another participant asserts that the moment of inertia of the drum is not affected by the tension, but acknowledges that the tension will significantly influence the torque required.
  • A participant clarifies that the tension arises from a wire injected in the steel coil tube, which they are trying to remove using a special machine.
  • One participant suggests that the torque increase due to tension can be approximated as 3000N times the radius of the drum.
  • A participant inquires about incorporating a sprocket ratio into the torque calculation, providing a formula that modifies the moment of inertia based on the sprocket ratio.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the moment of inertia is a physical property of the mass distribution of the drum and is not affected by the pulley ratio.
  • There is a contention regarding the relationship between pulley ratios and moment of inertia, with participants expressing differing views on how these concepts interact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between moment of inertia and pulley ratios, with some asserting that inertia is unaffected by pulley ratios while others suggest that it can be incorporated into calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding how to properly account for these factors in torque calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on the impact of the pulley ratio on the moment of inertia or the correct approach to calculating torque in this scenario. There are also assumptions about the nature of the tension and its effects that are not fully explored.

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Hi Guys,
I am trying to calculate a starting torque required to move the drum at 6rpm that weights 2000kg and has 1200mm in diameter.

There would be no problem to do this calc in normal circumstances as I can find a moment of inertia formula for a pipe in my book.

But in this case there is a tension of 3000N acting on the rim of my drum.

What will be the formula for the moment of inertia in this case?

Thanks
 
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The moment of inertia of the drum is not affected by the tension. However, overcoming this tension will figure significantly in the torque required to spin the drum.

What is this tension? Is it friction?
 
Hi,
No it's a wire injected in the steel coil tube and I am trying to take it out. I am currently building a special machine for it and need to select the right type of motor. I was thinking of powering the drum with light duty bonfiglioli gear box housed from one side of the drum or having a sprocket arrangement with the ratio 6:1. Sprockets would significantly drive down the torque but the gearbox would suit much better for this arrangement.

Yes that's right the tension will increase the torque value significatly but I don't know by how much.
 
Well, as a first guess, I would say 3000N times the radius of the drum.
 
Thanks,
Have you got any idea how to incorporate a sprocket ratio into my torque calc?

Diameter of the wheel that moves the drum has 38mm and drum has a diameter of 1200mm

I incorporated the ratio into my moment of inertia of the drum.

So the formula would be the following: I=Id*(38/1200)^2

Id is the moment of inertia of the drum

What do you think of that?

Thanks for your thoughts
 
The inertia of the drum is a physical property of the mass of the drum and how that mass is distributed about the axis of rotation.
 
It is but how does my pulley ratio affect that property?
 
That's what I am trying to say: the inertia property is NOT affected by pulley ratios. The torque required to turn the drum will be affected by the pulley ratio, but not the inertia.
 

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