Determine the minimum using the second derivative

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The problem involves determining the minimum dimensions of an open-top box with a volume of 1 cubic foot. The focus is on minimizing the surface area given the constraints of the volume. The subject area relates to calculus, specifically optimization techniques involving derivatives.

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  • Participants discuss the need to minimize the area function and the appropriate use of derivatives. There is uncertainty about applying derivatives with two variables, particularly in the context of not yet having covered partial derivatives. Some participants suggest simplifying assumptions, such as setting length equal to width.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of derivatives and the potential for simplification, but there is no consensus on the method to proceed with due to varying levels of understanding of calculus concepts.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the participants' current coursework, specifically the lack of coverage on partial derivatives in their calculus studies. This may impact their ability to fully engage with the problem as presented.

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I was wondering if someone could show me where to go next in this problem.

I need to determine the minimum length, width and height that a 1 cubic foot box can have. This box does not have a top. I know that I need to minimize the area, but I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. So far I have that A(l,w)=lw+2(1/l)+2(1/w). I made the substitution from three to two variables because V=lwh therefore h=1/lw.

I'm assuming that I need to take the derivative of the area equation, and then determine the minimum using the second derivative. Is this the correct procedure?

Thanks!
 
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You need to take the derivative of the area equation and find where it's 0. Then you can check with the second derivative to ensure that that point is a minimum.
 
0rthodontist said:
You need to take the derivative of the area equation and find where it's 0. Then you can check with the second derivative to ensure that that point is a minimum.

That's what I was thinking, however I don't know how to do this with two variables. I'm in Calc 3 but we haven't yet done partial derivatives. Everything that I have seen (including using Maple) needs to use partial derivatives to solve the problem. I've basically attempted to take the derivative using Maple, and got a partial derivative. I don't really know where to continue on to.
 
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Oh, right, you do need partial derivatives, using the Hessian. On the other hand you could make the assumption l = w, which you could prove--start by saying that if l > w (without loss of generality) then there is a cheaper box with the same volume and height where l = w.
 

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