Determine the most probable radius for a 2s orbital (Hydrogen atom)

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The discussion revolves around determining the most probable radius for a 2s orbital in a hydrogen atom, focusing on the wavefunction and probability density associated with the orbital.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss finding the probability density by manipulating the wavefunction and consider setting its derivative to zero to identify critical points. Some express uncertainty about the resulting cubic polynomial and question the correctness of their derivations.

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Several participants are actively engaged in exploring the problem, sharing their attempts and expressing confusion over the complexity of the resulting equations. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance is being offered regarding potential solutions and methods for solving cubic equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention encountering a cubic polynomial and express uncertainty about whether their calculations are correct. There is a request for resources or assistance in navigating the problem, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved.

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Homework Statement



Determine the most probable radius for a 2s orbital (Hydrogen atom)

Homework Equations



Wavefunction for a 2s orbital:

1/(4√2pi*a^(3⁄2) ) (2-r⁄a) e^((-r)⁄(2a)) where, a=bohr radius

The Attempt at a Solution



First step:
find the probability density by squaring the wavefunction and multiplying but the spherical element of Volume

Second step:
Set the derivative of the probability density equal to zero to solve for where the slope of the plotted function is equal to zero
 
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science_1999 said:

Homework Statement



Determine the most probable radius for a 2s orbital (Hydrogen atom)

Homework Equations



Wavefunction for a 2s orbital:

1/(4√2pi*a^(3⁄2) ) (2-r⁄a) e^((-r)⁄(2a)) where, a=bohr radius

The Attempt at a Solution



First step:
find the probability density by squaring the wavefunction and multiplying but the spherical element of Volume

Second step:
Set the derivative of the probability density equal to zero to solve for where the slope of the plotted function is equal to zero


So you know all the steps, you simply have to go ahead!

Are you stuck on something?
 
i am working on the same problem, and i am stuck on one particular part, when i take the derivative and set it equal to zero i end up with a cubic polynomial, like

(r/a)^3 - 6(r/a)^2 + 8r/a - 4 =0

not sure it this is correct, and if it is then do i need to use a graphing program to calculate the min and max points (roots) or is there an easier way?

thanks in advance for any help...
 
Stuck on this problem also!

I get to a stage where I get a massive cubic equation...I'm assuming I've gone wrong somewhere...

Any help? Or any online resources where the problem is worked through...?
 
think i ended up solving it sometime last year.. think the equation factors to something like: (x-4)*(x-2)*(x-2)=0 or something like that.. roots are then 4 & 2.. can't remember exactly but hope this points you in the right direction... oh x=r/a) of course..
 

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