Determine the order of differentiation for this partial differential eqn

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The discussion revolves around understanding the order of differentiation in partial differential equations (PDEs), specifically focusing on the notation and interpretation of derivatives such as ##\dfrac{\partial u^2}{\partial x\partial y}## and its equivalence to different forms like ##u_{xy}## or ##u_{yx}##. Participants explore the implications of these notations and their relevance to linear and nonlinear equations.

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  • Participants discuss the equivalence of different notations for partial derivatives and question the clarity of the original problem statement. There are observations about the nature of linear versus nonlinear equations based on definitions and examples provided.

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The discussion appears to be ongoing, with participants raising questions about the definitions and interpretations of linearity in differential equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the equations, but there is no clear consensus on the main question being addressed.

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There are mentions of specific textbook references and the context of self-study, indicating that some participants are working independently and may have varying levels of familiarity with the material. The discussion also highlights potential confusion regarding the format and expectations for presenting mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Homework Statement
determine the order of the given partial differential equation;also state whether the equation is linear or nonlinear
Relevant Equations
The ordinary differential equation is said to be linear if F is a linear function of the variables y,y,...,y(n); a similar definition applies to partial differential equations.
The order of a differential equation is the order of the highest derivative that appears in the equation.
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ok I posted this a few years ago but replies said there was multiplication in it so I think its a mater of format
##\dfrac{\partial u^2}{\partial x\partial y}## is equivalent to ##u_{xy}##

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here is an example I found from online ... but its probably beyond what my OP is asking for
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For "Relevant Equations", you should not just put "definitions". You should put your exact definition of the order of a PDE.
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Also use double pound ## for inline math
double pound is not very collaborate with other latex editors this is the only forum I know of that asks that
 
ok it looks these are just observation problems but ? about linear non linear pare
 
karush said:
double pound is not very collaborate with other latex editors this is the only forum I know of that asks that
But you're here, and that's the way it works here...

"When in Rome, ..."
 
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karush said:
##\dfrac{\partial u^2}{\partial x\partial y}## is equivalent to ##u_{xy}##
If memory serves, the two notations are not the same; i.e., the order in which partials are taken is different.
The above should read "##\dfrac{\partial u^2}{\partial x\partial y}## is equivalent to ##u_{yx}##", not ##u_{xy}## as you wrote.
In the first notation, you first take the partial with respect to y, and then take the partial of that with respect to x. In the second notation, you take the partial with respect to the first variable listed, and then with the second.
 
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It's not clear to me what we are being asked to do. The first two posts are not about the same issue regarding PDEs. And there is no attempt to answer either.
 
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Mark44 said:
If memory serves, the two notations are not the same; i.e., the order in which partials are taken is different.
The above should read "##\dfrac{\partial u^2}{\partial x\partial y}## is equivalent to ##u_{yx}##", not ##u_{xy}## as you wrote.
In the first notation, you first take the partial with respect to y, and then take the partial of that with respect to x. In the second notation, you take the partial with respect to the first variable listed, and then with the second.
IIRC, the two are barely-ever different from each other.
 
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FactChecker said:
It's not clear to me what we are being asked to do. The first two posts are not about the same issue regarding PDEs. And there is no attempt to answer either.
it basically to solve just by observation like 2 order and linear no calculation is needed
 
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karush said:
it basically to solve just by observation like 2 order and linear no calculation is needed
In your first post, what do you think the answers are? We can comment on that.
 
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WWGD said:
IIRC, the two are barely-ever different from each other.
By Schwarz's theorem they are the same, providing both partial derivatives are [edit]continuous differentiable[/edit].
 
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FactChecker said:
In your first post, what do you think the answers are? We can comment on that.
ok I would like that I don't know how to discern linear for non Linear from observation
the yellow highlighted problems are ones I have done but want to do the 15-24

the link to the whole Boyce textbook in the OP if need.

BTW I am retired so just doing this on my own might audit de at UHM next year

Mahalo ahead

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A linear differential equation is one where all you have are derivatives being multiplied by functions of the underlying variable and being added together##x^2y'' + \cos(x)y +2=0## is linear.
##\sin(y')=y## is not because you are doing something to a derivative other than adding and multiplying by defined functions of x.
##u_x u_y=0## is not because you are doing something to a derivative other than adding them and multiplying by defined functions of x and y
 
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