Determine the partial pressure of gas at equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around determining the partial pressure of gases at equilibrium, specifically focusing on the stoichiometric relationships in chemical reactions involving phosgene, carbon monoxide, and chlorine. Participants explore the reasoning behind calculating partial pressures and the implications of stoichiometric ratios in equilibrium conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that to find the partial pressure of phosgene, one must subtract the pressure of CO from the initial pressure, questioning the reasoning behind this approach.
  • Another participant argues that the stoichiometric ratios are not 1:1:1, implying that this affects the equilibrium constant and the interpretation of the stoichiometric equation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the stoichiometric ratios, asserting that the balanced equation indicates a 1:1:1 relationship among the gases involved.
  • In a related question, a participant notes that the equilibrium pressures add up to more than 100%, questioning how this is possible given the dissociation percentages of the gases.
  • Another participant reiterates the confusion regarding the stoichiometric ratios, emphasizing that the reaction produces different amounts of each gas, which contradicts the 1:1:1 assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of stoichiometric ratios and their implications for calculating partial pressures. There is no consensus on the correct reasoning behind the calculations or the relationships between the gases at equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of interpreting stoichiometric relationships in equilibrium situations, indicating that assumptions about gas ratios may lead to confusion in calculations. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions about the mathematical relationships involved.

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I figured out the answer to this already, but I wanted help on the reasoning behind it:
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In order to work out the problem we're supposed to determine the partial pressure of phosgene by subtracting 0.497 atm worth from the initial pressure of 1.31 atm (determined by using the ideal gas equation). My question is... why? I mean, if there's 0.497 atm of CO(g) and the stoichiometric ratios of the balanced equation are 1:1:1, then why aren't all three gases at 0.497 atm?
 
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Because the stoichiometric ratios are not 1:1:1.

If they were, the equilibrium constant would be equal to 1/(partial pressure of any of the three gases) -- and that could not be a constant!

You need to think differently about what the meaning of the stoichiometric equation might be.
 
...huh?
If the balanced equation is [itex]CO_{(g)} + Cl_{2(g)} ⇋ COCl_{2(g)}[/itex], then how is the relationship not 1:1:1? The equation outright says that there's 1 mol of COCl2, 1 mol of CO, and 1 mol of Cl2.
:confused:
 
The next question is basically the same type of question, too:
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The first part of the answer is:
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So, I'm confused about the same thing here, essentially (well... very similar, at least). In the answer, the equilibrium pressures add up to 117% (0.66+0.34+0.17=1.17). I don't understand how that's possible.

If 34% of the initial gas dissociates, then 66% is still NOBr (that much we seem to agree on, at least). Doesn't that mean that 34% will be a combination of 1 part NO and 1/2 part of Br2? (because we're using percent compositions here) I'd think that if 66% is NOBr, then 22.666% would be NO, and 11.333% would be Br2.
 
ohms law said:
...huh?
If the balanced equation is [itex]CO_{(g)} + Cl_{2(g)} ⇋ COCl_{2(g)}[/itex], then how is the relationship not 1:1:1? The equation outright says that there's 1 mol of COCl2, 1 mol of CO, and 1 mol of Cl2.
:confused:

If you start out with y mol of phosgene, then what the balanced equation tells you is that when x mol of it react to produce carbon monoxide and chlorine, the number of mole of the three substances will be y – x , x , and x respectively. That is not a 1:1:1 ratio!
 

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