Determine the points where the net magnetic field is zero

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The discussion revolves around determining the points where the net magnetic field is zero due to two long straight wires carrying currents in different directions. The original poster presents an equation based on their understanding of the magnetic fields produced by the wires.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the contributions of magnetic fields from each wire, questioning the vector nature of the fields and how they interact. There are attempts to derive conditions for the magnetic field to be zero, with discussions on the components of the magnetic fields and their cancellation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the magnetic field components. Some guidance has been offered regarding the vector nature of the magnetic fields, and there is an exploration of whether the problem is confined to a two-dimensional plane.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to consider three-dimensional space in their analysis, indicating that assumptions about the dimensionality of the problem may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement
A long straight wire lying along x axis carries current I in positive x direction.
Another long straight wire lying along y axis carries current I/3 in positive y direction.
Find points where net magnetic field is zero.
Relevant Equations
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Unsure about this, but here is my attempt:

B from the first wire: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi r} ##

B from the second wire: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi r} ##

Let the point be (x,y)

Can I state that: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi y}+\dfrac {\mu _{i}\left( I/3\right) }{2\pi x}=0##

Hence the magnetic field is zero whenever x= -1/3y?

Thanks
 
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jisbon said:
Homework Statement:: A long straight wire lying along x-axis carries current I in positive x direction.
Another long straight wire lying along y-axis carries current I/3 in positive y direction.
Find points where net magnetic field is zero.
Relevant Equations:: -

Unsure about this, but here is my attempt:

B from the first wire: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi r} ##

B from the second wire: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi r} ##

Let the point be (x,y)

Can I state that: ##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi y}+\dfrac {\mu _{i}\left( I/3\right) }{2\pi x}=0##

Hence the magnetic field is zero whenever x= -1/3y?

Thanks
The magnetic field is a vector. You need the vector sum to be zero.
 
haruspex said:
The magnetic field is a vector. You need the vector sum to be zero.
So for example in the wire on y axis, can't I assume it will only affect the x direction as the y direction is simply canceled out?
 
jisbon said:
So for example in the wire on y axis, can't I assume it will only affect the x direction as the y direction is simply canceled out?
Certainly the field due to that wire nowhere has a y component. What does that leave?
 
haruspex said:
Certainly the field due to that wire nowhere has a y component. What does that leave?
So that leaves a x component, while the wire at the x-axis only leaves the y component, hence the equation I put in my thread whereby:
##\dfrac {\mu _{0}I}{2\pi y}+\dfrac {\mu _{i}\left( I/3\right) }{2\pi x}=0##
 
jisbon said:
So that leaves a x component
I do not read the question as restricted to a plane.
Besides, an x component cannot cancel a y component.
 
haruspex said:
I do not read the question as restricted to a plane.
Besides, an x component cannot cancel a y component.
So the x component must be equals to 0 too? since the point I am trying to find has no magnetic field
 
jisbon said:
So the x component must be equals to 0 too? since the point I am trying to find has no magnetic field
Yes, but but what about my other point? The Newtonian world has three dimensions.
 

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