Calculate the extension of a spring between current-carrying wires

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The discussion revolves around calculating the extension of a spring between two current-carrying wires, utilizing the force per unit length formula for magnetic interactions. Participants are exploring the relationship between magnetic force and spring extension in the context of physics principles.

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  • Participants are examining the application of the force per unit length formula for current-carrying wires and its assumptions. There are questions regarding the validity of using this formula when the distance between the wires is not negligible compared to their length. Some participants are also discussing the relationship between magnetic force and spring force, questioning the interpretation of the spring constant and the setup of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of formulas, and there is recognition of potential calculation errors. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

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There is a noted assumption that the distance between the wires can be treated as a constant during the calculation, despite the spring's extension. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of this assumption on their calculations.

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Homework Statement
Consider two current-carrying wires of length 1 m each and are held in
equilibrium by a spring which has an unextended length of 0.75m
constant of 0.005 N/m. Each wire carries a current of 20 A in opposite directions. Calculate the extension of the spring. Assume that there is no friction
between the wires and the floor and the wires are rigid.
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From what I understand, the force between two current-carrying wires can be calculated as:
$$\dfrac {F}{L}=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi R} $$

Doesn't this mean:

$$\dfrac {F}{L}=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi 1^{2}}=\dfrac {1}{2}kx^{2} $$ ?

$$\dfrac {\left( 4\pi \times 10^{-7}\right) \left( 20\right) ^{2}}{2\pi \left( 0.75\right) }=\dfrac {1}{2}\left( 0.005\right) x^{2} $$

turns out my answer is incorrect, with the correct being 0.0208m

What is my error here?
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jisbon said:
From what I understand, the force between two current-carrying wires can be calculated as:
$$\dfrac {F}{L}=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi R} $$
This formula is only accurate if the distance between the two wires is much smaller than the length of the wires, which is not the case here. But it appears that they want you to ignore this and go ahead and use this formula. Otherwise, it would be much more difficult.

Doesn't this mean:

$$\dfrac {F}{L}=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi 1^{2}}=\dfrac {1}{2}kx^{2} $$ ?
Note that ##\frac{1}{2}kx^{2}## does not represent a force (or a force per unit length).

$$\dfrac {\left( 4\pi \times 10^{-7}\right) \left( 20\right) ^{2}}{2\pi \left( 0.75\right) } $$
Will the distance between the wires be 0.75 m after the spring has stretched some?
 
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TSny said:
This formula is only accurate if the distance between the two wires is much smaller than the length of the wires, which is not the case here. But it appears that they want you to ignore this and go ahead and use this formula. Otherwise, it would be much more difficult.

Note that ##\frac{1}{2}kx^{2}## does not represent a force (or a force per unit length).

Will the distance between the wires be 0.75 m after the spring has stretched some?
Nope it will be more than 0.75.
And yes, force = kx, my bad
So, will it be:
$$kx=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi \left( x+0.75\right) }$$
Answer still seems to be wrong
 
jisbon said:
$$kx=\dfrac {\mu _{0}I_{1}I_{2}}{2\pi \left( x+0.75\right) }$$
Answer still seems to be wrong
This should give you the "correct" answer. Check your work.
 
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TSny said:
This should give you the "correct" answer. Check your work.
Seems to be a calculation error from my part. Thanks :)
 
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