Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision

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The problem involves two blocks colliding elastically, with one block being pushed against a spring and released, resulting in an initial velocity. The scenario includes a mass of 1.5 kg colliding with a mass of 6 kg on a frictionless incline at an angle of 37 degrees. Participants are tasked with determining the final velocities of the blocks after the collision.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations to find the final velocities after the collision. There are attempts to isolate variables and solve for the unknowns, but confusion arises regarding the manipulation of equations and the interpretation of results.

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Some participants express frustration over arriving at initial velocities instead of final velocities, indicating a lack of clarity in their calculations. Others suggest re-evaluating the algebraic steps taken, particularly in expanding and simplifying equations. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of an elastic collision and the principles of conservation of momentum and energy. There is a noted confusion regarding the correct application of these principles and the algebra involved in solving the equations.

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Here's a (crude) drawing: http://i44.tinypic.com/2mg9ts2.png
A block with mass 1.5kg is pushed against a spring such that the spring compression is 0.2m. The block is then released from rest and is observed to have a velocity of 10m/s once it is released by the spring. The block then collides elastically with another block of mass 6 kg. The incline makes an angle 37 with the horizontal and is frictionless.

a) Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision.
b) Determine the distance the block of mass 6kg will travel up the incline.
c) Depending on the direction that the block with mass 6kg moves after the collision, determine the maximum compression of the spring OR the distance it travels up the incline.


a) Help! I did all the work but I ended up with the initial velocities instead of getting the final velocities, how am I supposed to do this?

Pi = Pf
(1.5)(10) + 0 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
15 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
(1.5)(V1) = 15 - ^V2
V1 = -(6V2+15)/(1.5)

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
-3V2^2 + 75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2^2 + 100 = (-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2 + 10 = (-6V2+16/1.5)
-6V2 + 15 = -6V2 + 15

so V2 = 0

V1 = (-6(0)+15/1.5)
so V1 = 10

but those are the initial velocities... How do i find the final velocities?
 
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cupcaked said:
Here's a (crude) drawing: http://i44.tinypic.com/2mg9ts2.png
A block with mass 1.5kg is pushed against a spring such that the spring compression is 0.2m. The block is then released from rest and is observed to have a velocity of 10m/s once it is released by the spring. The block then collides elastically with another block of mass 6 kg. The incline makes an angle 37 with the horizontal and is frictionless.

a) Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision.
b) Determine the distance the block of mass 6kg will travel up the incline.
c) Depending on the direction that the block with mass 6kg moves after the collision, determine the maximum compression of the spring OR the distance it travels up the incline.


a) Help! I did all the work but I ended up with the initial velocities instead of getting the final velocities, how am I supposed to do this?

Pi = Pf
(1.5)(10) + 0 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
15 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
(1.5)(V1) = 15 - ^V2
V1 = -(6V2+15)/(1.5)

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
-3V2^2 + 75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2^2 + 100 = (-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2 + 10 = (-6V2+16/1.5)
-6V2 + 15 = -6V2 + 15

so V2 = 0

V1 = (-6(0)+15/1.5)
so V1 = 10

but those are the initial velocities... How do i find the final velocities?

See the error in red above.\sqrt{-4v_2^2 + 100} \neq -4v_2 + 10

I would recommend solving for v2 by isolating it on one side of the equation.
 
I'm really messing up my math here or something...

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
75 = 0.75(-4V2+10)^2 + 9V2
75 = 0.75(16V2+100) + 9V2
75 = 12V2 + 75 + 9V2
75 = 21V2 + 75
0 = 21V2 ...? zero again... blehhh!
 
cupcaked said:
I'm really messing up my math here or something...

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
75 = 0.75(-4V2+10)^2 + 9V2
75 = 0.75(16V2+100) + 9V2
75 = 12V2 + 75 + 9V2
75 = 21V2 + 75
0 = 21V2 ...? zero again... blehhh!

Where did this stuff in red come from? Why is it suddenly 4v2 instead of 6v2? Where did the 9 come from? Why is the v2 that is multiplying the 9 no longer squared?

Note that (-6v_2 + 10)^2 = (-6v_2 + 10)(-6v_2 + 10)So you're going to have to expand that out.
 

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