Determine whether the subset S of M2x2 (2x2 are the subscripts for M,

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the subset S of M2x2 consisting of all diagonal matrices is a subspace. Participants are exploring the conditions necessary for S to qualify as a subspace in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants discuss the three conditions for a subset to be a subspace, questioning the validity of the zero matrix as a diagonal matrix and whether it satisfies the first condition. There is also exploration of the implications of the second and third conditions regarding the addition and scalar multiplication of diagonal matrices.

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Some participants have provided reasoning regarding the conditions for S to be a subspace, while others express uncertainty about the completeness of the explanations. There is a suggestion to demonstrate the conditions with arbitrary matrices to strengthen the argument.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of diagonal matrices, particularly concerning the zero matrix and the interpretation of nonzero entries on the diagonal.

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Determine whether the subset S of M2x2 (2x2 are the subscripts for M, idk how to do put it on here) is a subspace.

Let S be the set of all diagonal matrices.

To check if something is a subspace, my teacher gave us 3 conditions.

1.) 0 vector is in S
2) if U and V are in S, then U+V is in S
3) If V is in S and c is a scalar, then cV is in S.

I'm not really sure how to check the first condition. A guess no vectors on a diagnol 2x2 matrix can be the 0 vector,thus S is not a subspace in this case?
 
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The zero matrix is definitely diagonal. The matrices in this question are your 'vectors'.
 


Wait how is a zero matrix diagonal? My prof said "diagonal means square, with nonzero entries only appearing on the diagonal." I missed the "only" part, I think that means the diagonal can still be 0 or nonzero, but no elements off the diagonal can be nonzero.But if so.
then the 1st condition is satisfied.

2. Condition 2 implies that if we have a U and V in S, then U+V must also be diagonal. Which is true.
3. Condition 3 implies if we have a V in S, then cV is also diagnol, which is true.
Thus S is a subspace.
Is this correct?
 
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pyroknife said:
Wait how is a zero matrix diagonal? My prof said "diagonal means square, with nonzero entries only appearing on the diagonal."


But if so.
then the 1st condition is satisfied.

2. Condition 2 implies that if we have a U and V in S, then U+V must also be diagonal. Which is true.
3. Condition 3 implies if we have a V in S, then cV is also diagnol, which is true.
Thus S is a subspace.
Is this correct?

Yes, 'nonzero entries only appearing on the diagonal' only means the off-diagonal elements have to be zero. It doesn't say the diagonal elements have to be zero.
 


So this matrix is a subspace. If the way I explained why it is sufficient or do I need to write out arbitrary matrices and demonstrate each 3 conditoins?
 


pyroknife said:
So this matrix is a subspace. If the way I explained why it is sufficient or do I need to write out arbitrary matrices and demonstrate each 3 conditoins?

You didn't really explain anything. You just said it was true. I assumed you knew what you were talking about. Your teacher might not. Yes, write out the form of a diagonal matrix and show each one is true.
 

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