Finding a subspace (possibly intersection of subspace?)

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The discussion revolves around finding a subspace B of the vector space of 2x2 matrices, denoted as M2x2, such that the direct sum of subspace A and B equals M2x2. Subspace A is defined by matrices of a specific form involving parameters s and t.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of subspace B and its relationship to A and M2x2. Some express confusion about the wording of the problem and the nature of the operations involved. Others attempt to clarify the mathematical structure and relationships, questioning the closure properties and the implications of the direct sum.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem's requirements, with some participants providing clarifications about the nature of the matrices involved and the conditions for subspaces. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the definitions and properties of A and B.

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Participants note issues with the notation used in the problem, particularly regarding the representation of real numbers and the specific form of the matrices. There is also mention of the need for closure under addition and scalar multiplication for the subspaces involved.

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Homework Statement



Let A be the following 2x2 matrix:

s 2s
0 t

Find a subspace B of M2x2 where M2x2 = A (+) B


Homework Equations



A ∩ B = {0}

if u and v are in M2x2, then u + v is in M2x2
if u is in M2x2, then cu is in M2x2

The Attempt at a Solution



Let B be the following 2x2 matrix:

0 0
r 0

Because they are both subspace, they intersect at the zero vector and thus the set {0}, the zero subspace, is a subspace of M2x2. We then have

M2x2 = A (+) B:

M2x2 = A + B /\ A ∩ B = {0}
 
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Throwback said:

Homework Statement



Let A be the following 2x2 matrix:

s 2s
0 t

Find a subspace B of M2x2 where M2x2 = A (+) B
This doesn't make sense to me. M2x2 is the vector space of 2x2 matrices. It's not a matrix.

It also doesn't make sense to add a matrix - A - and a subspace - B.

What is the exact wording of this problem?
Throwback said:

Homework Equations



A ∩ B = {0}

if u and v are in M2x2, then u + v is in M2x2
if u is in M2x2, then cu is in M2x2

The Attempt at a Solution



Let B be the following 2x2 matrix:

0 0
r 0

Because they are both subspace, they intersect at the zero vector and thus the set {0}, the zero subspace, is a subspace of M2x2. We then have

M2x2 = A (+) B:

M2x2 = A + B /\ A ∩ B = {0}
 
Throwback said:
Find a linear subspace B of M2x2(ℝ) such that M2x2(ℝ) = A (+) B where A is the matrix

s 2s
0 t

That makes more sense, except that I can't read what's in the parentheses in M2x2(ℝ). In my browser it shows up as an empty box. What symbol is that?

This stuff, too.
where {A|s,t in ℝ} ℂ M2x2(ℝ)

s, t in what?
 
This should make it easier haha

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/907375/asd.jpg

In case the image isn't showing either, the symbol that isn't showing is the "R" for real numbers, so s,t in R and M(R)
 
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I take it then that you mean B is a subspace of the space of all two by two matrices with real entries. However, you do NOT mean that A is the "matrix" given. Rather, A is the subspace of all two by two matrices, with real entries, of the form
\begin{bmatrix}s & 2s \\ 0 & t\end{bmatrix}.
Saying that "A(+)B= M_{22}(R)" means that for any numbers u, x, y, z, there exist numbers a, b, c, d such that
\begin{bmatrix}s & 2s \\ 0 & t\end{bmatrix}+ \begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}u & x \\ y & z\end{bmatrix}

Of course, then we must have
\begin{bmatrix} a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}u- s & x- 2s \\ y & z- t\end{bmatrix}

Now, what relations must a, b, c, and d satisfy?
 
Closure under addition and closure under multiplication?
 
I barely see what it's asking...

Given A, I don't have a problem proving that A is a subspace of M22 -- just show there's closure under addition and multiplication. I can find a basis/span, etc.

For this question, I'm somewhat lost. Since A + B = M22, then B = M22 - A, I'm assuming B has to follow the closure requirements, but is that it? It seems like I'm just missing something pretty big here...
 

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