Determining an unknown Hydrocarbon X

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The discussion revolves around identifying a gaseous hydrocarbon X with an approximate molecular weight of 57, which reacts with bromine and dilute permanganate solutions. Participants are tasked with deducing the structural formula of X based on its properties and reactions, exploring various possible structures and the implications of the provided information.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the molecular weight indicates a butene, proposing structures such as 1-butene, 2-butene, and 2-methylprop-1-ene, but struggles to reconcile these with the additional information provided.
  • Another participant points out that the molecular weight of 57 is not consistent with the molecular weight of butenes, which is 58.
  • A later reply acknowledges a typo regarding the molecular weight, clarifying that it should be 56, but admits to difficulty in finding a hydrocarbon with an exact molecular weight of 57.
  • One participant raises the concept of degree of unsaturation and its implications for the structure of the hydrocarbon, questioning whether it requires a double or triple bond.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of "approximate" molecular weight, with some participants suggesting it could mean a range from 56 to 58.
  • Another participant mentions that C4H8 has a molecular weight of approximately 56.11 and interprets "approximate" as allowing for rounding down.
  • Humor is introduced as one participant admits to being "sloppier" in their interpretation of the molecular weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the molecular weight and its implications for identifying hydrocarbon X. There is no consensus on a specific structure that satisfies all criteria, and multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of reconciling the approximate molecular weight with the properties of known hydrocarbons, as well as the implications of the reactions described in the problem statement. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the exact identity of hydrocarbon X and the mechanisms involved in its reactions.

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Homework Statement


A gaseous hydrocarbon X had an approximate molecular weight of 57. It reacted with both bromine and dilute permanganate solutions. Give the structural formula of the only 3 compounds consistent with this information.
X was treated with hydrogen bromide, and the resulting liquid was then boiled with with alcoholic sodium hydroxide solution. Only one compound was formed. Deduce the structure of X, giving your reasoning.

2. The attempt at a solution
Hello all.

I'm having trouble finding a single structure which satisfies all the criteria.

The first pieces of data I'm given is that the molecular weight is a butene of some description (has a MW of 58 and reacts with permanganate and bromine). So hence my three possible structures would be; 1-butene, 2-butene and 2-methylprop-1-ene.

However, I'm finding it hard to distinguish these three with the next pieces of information we're given. I think that with the given processes involved, the result will be an alcohol of some description, however I cannot think of a mechanism which will break the double bond of the product.

I'm assuming, where it says, one product is formed is the key here which I'm guessing means there are no major and minor products involved.
 
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57 is not 58.
 
miniradman said:
The first pieces of data I'm given is that the molecular weight is a butene of some description (has a MW of 58 and reacts with permanganate and bromine).
I think you made a typo in the molecular weight.

miniradman said:
However, I'm finding it hard to distinguish these three with the next pieces of information we're given. I think that with the given processes involved, the result will be an alcohol of some description, however I cannot think of a mechanism which will break the double bond of the product.
Check out http://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/reaction-guide/addition-of-hbr-to-alkenes/

miniradman said:
I'm assuming, where it says, one product is formed is the key here which I'm guessing means there are no major and minor products involved.
Exactly. The reactions shoud result in a single product with no other possibility.
 
Whoops, sorry the MW would be 56. I know that 56 does not equal 57, however I cannot think of a hydrocarbon with a MW of exactly 57.
 
Sorry, missed the error, what I meant was that you should look for a hydrocarbon with exactly given molar mass.

Do you know what degree of unsaturation is? Do you know what it tells about the molecule? Does it require a double or triple bond?
 
Borek said:
Sorry, missed the error, what I meant was that you should look for a hydrocarbon with exactly given molar mass.
But the statement of the problem says "approximate[/color] molecular weight of 57." Personally, I would take that to be in the range 56 to 58.
 
C4H8 is 56.11, I took "approximate" to mean "ignore the part after the decimal point".
 
Borek said:
I took "approximate" to mean "ignore the part after the decimal point".
I guess I'm sloppier than you are :-p
 

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