Determining Distance from Release Point Using Doppler Effect

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The problem involves a tuning fork vibrating at 506 Hz that falls from rest while accelerating at 9.80 m/s². The objective is to determine the distance below the release point when sound waves of frequency 488 Hz reach that point, given the speed of sound in air is 343 m/s.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the distinction between the position of the tuning fork when the sound waves are emitted and when they reach the release point. There are attempts to clarify the role of the Doppler effect in this context and how it relates to the timing of sound travel.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the necessary steps to solve the problem, including the need to calculate the time it takes for sound to travel back to the release point and to consider the position of the tuning fork at that time. There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with some participants expressing confidence in their results.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a previous question that may have influenced the current calculations, and participants are working within the constraints of the problem as stated, including the parameters of the Doppler effect and kinematic equations.

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Homework Statement


A tuning fork vibrating at 506 Hz falls from rest and accelerates at 9.80 m/s2. How far below the point of release is the tuning fork when waves of frequency of 488 Hz reach the release point? (Take the speed of sound in air to be 343 m/s).

Homework Equations


f(prime)=(v/(v+v(source)))*f(initial)
x=v(source)^2/19.6

The Attempt at a Solution


im actually fairly happy with my answer (8.17), because i worked it backwards from a textbook question, after it said i was wrong. but the system says i was wrong ( but within 10 percent).

any insight?

btw i subbed in my value for v(source) from question 1 into question 2 to get my answer.
 
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Did you distinguish between:
(1) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves were emitted
(2) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves reached the release point
 
Doc Al said:
Did you distinguish between:
(1) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves were emitted
(2) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves reached the release point

i thought that was already factored into the the doppler equation?
 
lackos said:
i thought that was already factored into the the doppler equation
No. The Doppler equation will give you the speed at which the 488 Hz waves are emitted. That's just the first step in finding the answer. You need to figure out how long it takes for the sound to reach the top, then figure out where the tuning fork is at that time.
 
Doc Al said:
No. The Doppler equation will give you the speed at which the 488 Hz waves are emitted. That's just the first step in finding the answer. You need to figure out how long it takes for the sound to reach the top, then figure out where the tuning fork is at that time.

okay thanks for that info (note to self).

so with my value (8.17), i would divide that by the speed of sound to get the extra time taken for travel. i would then form another kinematic equation factoring this in.

doing this i get 8.47m does this look correct
 
lackos said:
okay thanks for that info (note to self).

so with my value (8.17), i would divide that by the speed of sound to get the extra time taken for travel. i would then form another kinematic equation factoring this in.

doing this i get 8.47m does this look correct
Looks good to me.
 
Doc Al said:
Looks good to me.

thanks for the help and time
 

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