Determining Speed of Muons: Exercise Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of muons based on their decay time and the distance they must travel to reach the Earth. Participants explore the implications of time dilation and the relationship between the muon's lifetime in its rest frame and the observed lifetime from an Earth-based perspective.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving muons decaying in a given time and seeks to determine the speed required for half of them to reach the Earth.
  • Another participant clarifies that the lifetime of the muon in its rest frame is 2.2 * 10^-6 seconds.
  • A participant suggests using the time dilation equation to relate the muon's lifetime in its rest frame to the observed lifetime on Earth.
  • One contributor mentions having calculated the speed based on the discussion and finds it aligns closely with measured values from an MIT paper.
  • Another participant explains that the proper time is the muon's decay rate in its rest frame and emphasizes the need to calculate the dilated lifetime as observed from Earth.
  • A participant indicates the necessity of knowing the distance the muon travels to apply the equations correctly, suggesting a formula involving the speed of the muon relative to the speed of light.
  • Algebraic manipulation is discussed to express the speed of the muon in terms of known quantities, although the specifics of the calculations remain complex and unresolved.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants present various approaches and calculations without agreeing on a definitive method or outcome.

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Participants mention the need for specific values, such as the distance the muon travels, which may depend on external sources or assumptions not fully explored in the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those studying particle physics, time dilation, and relativistic effects.

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I try to determine the speed of muons. In an book I have there's an exercise regarding muons.

Given that they half of them decay in [itex]2.2 * 10^{-6}[/itex] s, how fast do they have to travel if half of them is to reach earth, ocean floor?

I tried to calculate the speed but I get to a point where I have two unknowns and one equation...

[itex]t' = \gamma t[/itex]

How do I get further..? Assuming a speed close to c to get a t', or?
 
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One of the times is the life-time of the muon in the muon's rest frame: 2.2 * 10^-6
 
Perspicacious, thanks a million!

Any ideas of how to treat the velocity and time?
 
Well t' is the time from the muon's frame and you can use your equation to calculate the decay rate as observed by someone on Earth if you know the speed of the muon. You know the opposite, from the information you have you can calculate the required decay rate and use the equation to get the necessary velocity of the muon to achieve that.
 
Just to let you know, I have worked out the speed based on the information you gave and a few other rough pieces of information. The results is actually surprisingly close to the measured speed that I found in an MIT paper, so if you are still stuck then I can keep pointing you in the right direction.
 
t is the proper time, and gives the muon's decay rate in the muon's rest frame. This is 2.2 * 10^-6 sec. t' is the dilated muon lifetime as measured by someone here on earth. It will be larger than t. Take v = x/t', where x is the distance that the muon must travel.
 
Thanks for the input. Thinking about it I'm pretty sure we did this calculation back in school, maybe I can find some old scribbling in one of my note books.

(I'm going on a weeks holiday to morrow, so I'm not sure I'll be able to tinker or post here. I'll update you asap though.)
 
First you need to know the distance the muon travels (the height of the atmosphere as measured in the Earth rest frame). Call this x.

The speed of the muon in the Earth frame (relative to the speed of light) is then v/c = x/t'.

Using a bit of algebra:

[tex]\frac{v}{c} = \frac{x}{t'} = \frac{x}{\gamma t} = \frac{x \sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}{t}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{v^2}{c^2} = \frac{x^2 (1-v^2/c^2)}{t^2}[/tex]

Solve for v/c:

[tex]\frac{v}{c} = \pm \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + t^2}}[/tex]

You already know t (the lifetime of the muon in the muon's rest frame) and you can easily find x from a Google search, so there are now no unknowns on the right and only one unknown on the left.
 
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