Determining Step Size with Given Problem Solving

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between step size and the number of steps in a numerical method problem, specifically in the context of Euler's method. Participants are examining provided values for step sizes and their corresponding number of steps, questioning the accuracy of these values.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how the step size is derived from the number of steps and the total change in the variable. There is confusion regarding the calculations and whether the provided step sizes are correct or potentially contain a typo.

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Some participants are exploring the calculations for step size based on the total change in the variable and the number of steps. There is a suggestion that the discrepancy in the step size for 32 steps may be a typo, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are working with a specific problem that involves a change in the variable from t=1 to t=3, and they are trying to reconcile the provided step sizes with their calculations based on this change. There is uncertainty regarding the method for calculating step size from the number of steps.

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Homework Statement



I have some trouble understanding the following solved problem:

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3340/euler2.jpg

This is the solutions they have given us:

[itex]E(32 \ steps) = 0.00097030[/itex]

[itex]E(64 \ steps) = 0.00003202[/itex]

32 steps has h=0.625

64 steps has h= 0.03125

The formula for effective order at stepsize h is

[itex]q= \frac{\ln |E(2h)|- \ln |E(h)|}{\ln 2}[/itex]

[itex]\therefore q (0.03125)= \frac{\ln |E(0.625)|- \ln |E(0.03125)|}{\ln 2} \approx 4.92[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So I don't understand how they figured out that 32 steps has a step size of 0.625? What is the relationship between the stepsize and number of steps? :confused:

I used to think that step size and the number of steps were related like this:

[itex]h = \frac{1}{step \ size}[/itex]

But using this, for 32 steps I get a step size of h=1/32=0.03125, and for 64 steps I get h=1/64=0.0156. The only way I can get the correct answer is to multiply the denominator by 2, but why should I do that?

So, what's the problem with what I'm doing? Is my method wrong, or is that a typo in the given answers?
 
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The problem states that y(1) = -1, and the solutions are at t=3.
The step size would be the change in t divided by the number of steps.
 
Villyer said:
The problem states that y(1) = -1, and the solutions are at t=3.
The step size would be the change in t divided by the number of steps.

But still I don't get the correct answer. The correct answer says:

32 steps has h=0.625

64 steps has h= 0.03125

And if I divide the change in t by the number of steps I get

2/32=0.0625

2/64=0.03125

How come for 32 steps I got a different answer?
 
I'm not sure. It's weird that the number they gave is off by a factor of 10, but the one for 64 is correct. Is it possible it's a typo?
 
Yes. But are you sure in order to find the step size from the number of steps we have to divide the change in t by the number of steps? If that's the correct method then I think that may be a typo.
 
Yes, Villyer is correct, and that's a typo.
 
Okay thank you very much for the confirmation. And thanks a lot Villyer!
 

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