Determining the convergence or divergence of a sequence using comparison test

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The discussion centers on determining the convergence or divergence of the series $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{\frac{1}{k}}$$ using the comparison test and the behavior of related series. Participants explore the implications of comparing this series to $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$ and analyze the limit of the terms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the comparison test, noting that if $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$ diverges, it does not guarantee that $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{\frac{1}{k}}$$ also diverges.
  • Another participant points out that $$4^{\frac{1}{k}} > 1$$ for all natural numbers $$k$$, suggesting that the terms do not approach zero.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the limit of the terms $$\lim_{k \to \infty} 4^{\frac{1}{k}} = 1$$, which is not zero, indicating that the series must diverge.
  • There is a reiteration of the importance of checking the limit of the terms as a first test for series convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a consensus that the limit of the terms does not approach zero, suggesting divergence. However, there is no agreement on the application of the comparison test and its implications for the original series.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the application of the comparison test fully, and participants do not clarify the conditions under which the comparison test can be applied in this context.

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I have this series:

$$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{\frac{1}{k}}$$

To solve this, I am trying to compare it to this series

$$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$

So, I can let $a_k = {4}^{\frac{1}{k}} $ and $b_k = {4}^{k}$

These seem to be both positive series and $ 0 \le a_k \le b_k$

Therefore, if $\sum_{}^{} b_k$ converges then $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ converges and if $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ diverges, then $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges.

However, if $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges, that doesn't guarantee that $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ diverges.

In this case, $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges as $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$ diverges (as $4 > 1$). However, I'm not sure what to conclude with this information.
 
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$a_k=1^{1/k},\,b_k=4^{1/k}$, but $\sum a_k$ diverges and $b_k>a_k\forall\,k\in\mathbb{N}$. Without comparison, simply note that no matter how large $k$ gets, $4^{1/k}>1$.
 
tmt said:
I have this series:

$$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{\frac{1}{k}}$$

To solve this, I am trying to compare it to this series

$$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$

So, I can let $a_k = {4}^{\frac{1}{k}} $ and $b_k = {4}^{k}$

These seem to be both positive series and $ 0 \le a_k \le b_k$

Therefore, if $\sum_{}^{} b_k$ converges then $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ converges and if $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ diverges, then $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges.

However, if $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges, that doesn't guarantee that $\sum_{}^{} a_k$ diverges.

In this case, $\sum_{}^{} b_k $ diverges as $$\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} {4}^{k}$$ diverges (as $4 > 1$). However, I'm not sure what to conclude with this information.

A series only ever has the possibility of converging if the sequence of values being added decreases to 0. In other words, if $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{k \to \infty} 4^{\frac{1}{k}} \neq 0 \end{align*}$ then the series diverges.

But hang on, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{k \to \infty} 4^{\frac{1}{k}} = 4^0 = 1 \end{align*}$. As this is not zero the series must diverge.

This is ALWAYS the first test you should try for ANY series!
 
Prove It said:
A series only ever has the possibility of converging if the sequence of values being added decreases to 0. In other words, if $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{k \to \infty} 4^{\frac{1}{k}} \neq 0 \end{align*}$ then the series diverges.

But hang on, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{k \to \infty} 4^{\frac{1}{k}} = 4^0 = 1 \end{align*}$. As this is not zero the series must diverge.

This is ALWAYS the first test you should try for ANY series!

Ok this is very helpful, thank you
 

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