Determining the Rate at Which Functions approach Infinity

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The discussion revolves around determining the rate at which functions approach infinity, particularly through the use of limits and L'Hospital's rule. Participants explore comparisons between different functions, such as exponential functions and factorials, and the implications of these comparisons in calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the limits of the function 1/x as x approaches infinity and zero, suggesting that the speed at which functions approach infinity can be determined by comparing their growth rates.
  • Another participant suggests that to compare e^n and n!, one should use the sandwich/squeeze theorem, indicating this is a standard problem in calculus.
  • A different participant challenges the existence of the limit of 1/x as x approaches zero, stating that the left- and right-sided limits are not the same, thus the two-sided limit does not exist.
  • One participant expresses confusion about using L'Hospital's rule to compare the growth rates of functions like x^{1000x} and e^{0.001x}, arguing that after taking derivatives, the top function becomes a constant while the bottom remains exponential.
  • Another participant corrects the previous claim about the derivatives of x^{1000x}, stating that it has infinite non-zero derivatives and that the original argument confuses it with x^{1000}.

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Participants express differing views on the application of L'Hospital's rule and the comparison of growth rates between functions. There is no consensus on the correct approach to determining which function approaches infinity faster, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants rely on specific mathematical techniques and theorems, which may not be universally applicable without additional context or assumptions. The discussion includes varying interpretations of limits and derivatives, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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With basic fractions, the limits of 1/x as x approaches infinity or zero is easily determine:

For example,
\begin{equation}
\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{x} = 0
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{1}{x} = \infty
\end{equation}

But, we with a operation like ##\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}##, you have to determine which function approaches infinity faster. If f(x) approaches infinity faster than g(x) then the answer is infinity; likewise if g(x) approaches infinity faster, than the answer is zero.

Do we determine which functions go to infinity faster simply by L'Hospital's rule in which we keep taking derivatives until a constant appears either on the bottom or top.

For example if I have the following"

##\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x^{1000x}}{e^{0.001x}}## = ?

I can argue that the answer is zero, because after I take 1000 derivatives with L'Hospitals rule, the function on top because some constant, while the bottom remains an exponential function;

##\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{c}{e^{0.001x}} = 0##therefore, can I use that to prove that the function e^x goes to infinity faster than some function x^{cx}?

But with that logic, how can we compare the speeds of such functions as n! or e^(x)? Considering e^x never becomes a constant and n! is non-differentable?

This is just a question I have out of curiosity. Thanks!
 
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Well, to begin with you want to compare ##e^n##, and not ##e^x##, to ##n!##.
As for the proof this is a standard problem in first year calculus (if said course contains sequences and series). Hint: you use sandwich/squeeze theorem.
 
Dopplershift said:
For example,
...
\begin{equation}
\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{1}{x} = \infty
\end{equation}
The limit in this example does not exist.The left- and right-sided limits are not the same, so the two-sided limit does not exist.
 
Dopplershift said:
With basic fractions, the limits of 1/x as x approaches infinity or zero is easily determine:

For example,
\begin{equation}
\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{x} = 0
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{1}{x} = \infty
\end{equation}

But, we with a operation like ##\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}##, you have to determine which function approaches infinity faster. If f(x) approaches infinity faster than g(x) then the answer is infinity; likewise if g(x) approaches infinity faster, than the answer is zero.

Do we determine which functions go to infinity faster simply by L'Hospital's rule in which we keep taking derivatives until a constant appears either on the bottom or top.

For example if I have the following"

##\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x^{1000x}}{e^{0.001x}}## = ?

I can argue that the answer is zero, because after I take 1000 derivatives with L'Hospitals rule, the function on top because some constant, while the bottom remains an exponential function;

##\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{c}{e^{0.001x}} = 0##therefore, can I use that to prove that the function e^x goes to infinity faster than some function x^{cx}?

But with that logic, how can we compare the speeds of such functions as n! or e^(x)? Considering e^x never becomes a constant and n! is non-differentable?

This is just a question I have out of curiosity. Thanks!

I can argue that the answer is zero, because after I take 1000 derivatives with L'Hospitals rule, the function on top because some constant, while the bottom remains an exponential function;
Incorrect! x^{1000x} has infinite non-zero derivatives! You are confusing it with x^{1000}.
 

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