Determining the rate at which speed changes

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a golfer's ball on a mini-putt golf course. The scenario describes the ball's initial speed, distance traveled, and final speed after hitting a bank, with a focus on determining the rate of change of speed, or acceleration, over a specified distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration and question the method of dividing speed by distance. There are inquiries about the relevant equations of motion and the meaning of "rate at which speed changes." Some participants suggest reviewing the SUVAT equations and their applicability to the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different approaches and questioning assumptions. Some have attempted calculations using the SUVAT equations but have encountered errors, leading to further discussion about rounding and the correct application of formulas. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific equations and the importance of understanding units.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of missing information, particularly the absence of time as a variable in the problem, which complicates the participants' attempts to apply certain equations. Additionally, there is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the definitions and implications of constant acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A golfer sinks a hole-in-one on a mini-putt golf course. The ball leaves the putter face with a speed of 4.04 m/s, travels a distance of L1 = 4.38 m, and bumps into a bank with a speed of 3.34 m/s, rebounds at 90° and travels a length of L2 = 3.26 m into the hole.

Assuming a constant acceleration of the golf ball as it traveled over the distance L1, what was the rate at which the speed of the golf ball changed over the distance L1?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


(3.34-4.04)/4.38=-0.1598 (This is wrong)
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Why did you divide by L1?
Have you tried thinking about relevant equations that might help you solve the problem?
for instance what are the basic motion equations?
What do you understand by "rate at which speed changes"?
 
x2017 said:

Homework Statement


A golfer sinks a hole-in-one on a mini-putt golf course. The ball leaves the putter face with a speed of 4.04 m/s, travels a distance of L1 = 4.38 m, and bumps into a bank with a speed of 3.34 m/s, rebounds at 90° and travels a length of L2 = 3.26 m into the hole.

Assuming a constant acceleration of the golf ball as it traveled over the distance L1, what was the rate at which the speed of the golf ball changed over the distance L1?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


(3.34-4.04)/4.38=-0.1598 (This is wrong)

And you would know that it's wrong if you had looked at the units of this calculation.

What is m/s divided by meters? Hint: it's not m/s2.

You should review the SUVAT equations. There is one which applies directly to this problem.

http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/MEI/MechSuvatEquns.html
 
x2017 said:

Homework Statement


A golfer sinks a hole-in-one on a mini-putt golf course. The ball leaves the putter face with a speed of 4.04 m/s, travels a distance of L1 = 4.38 m, and bumps into a bank with a speed of 3.34 m/s, rebounds at 90° and travels a length of L2 = 3.26 m into the hole.

Assuming a constant acceleration of the golf ball as it traveled over the distance L1, what was the rate at which the speed of the golf ball changed over the distance L1?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


(3.34-4.04)/4.38=-0.1598 (This is wrong)
Dividing a speed by a distance is not going to yield an acceleration.
Do you know what I mean by SUVAT equations? Can you find one that involves the three things you know (initial speed, final speed, distance) and the unknown you want to find (acceleration)?
 
WrongMan said:
Why did you divide by L1?
Have you tried thinking about relevant equations that might help you solve the problem?
for instance what are the basic motion equations?
What do you understand by "rate at which speed changes"?
I divided by L1 because I was trying to make a rate. I'm not sure about equations, my professor only gave us equations that involve time and we don't have that variable in this equation that's why I'm so confused! "Rate at which speed changes" meant acceleration to me, which it says is constant. The equations I have to solve for acceleration all involve time...
 
SteamKing said:
And you would know that it's wrong if you had looked at the units of this calculation.

What is m/s divided by meters? Hint: it's not m/s2.

You should review the SUVAT equations. There is one which applies directly to this problem.

http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/MEI/MechSuvatEquns.html
Thank you for linking me to the SUVAT equations. I tried v2 = u2 + 2 a s & got -0.58, which the computer told me was wrong also...
 
haruspex said:
Dividing a speed by a distance is not going to yield an acceleration.
Do you know what I mean by SUVAT equations? Can you find one that involves the three things you know (initial speed, final speed, distance) and the unknown you want to find (acceleration)?
I have just been introduced to the SUVAT equations today through this post!
I tried using v2 = u2 + 2 a s and got -0.58, which my online assignment told me was wrong as well. I'm not sure where I am going wrong...
 
are you rounding the number properly?
 
Oh and fyi you could have figured the result with the formulas your teacher gave you.
For example, using the displacement formula (since its given the acceleration is constant), you substitute "a" for "(vf-vi)/t" gettign rid of the squared t, then you find t, and then solve the velocity equation for a
 
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WrongMan said:
are you rounding the number properly?
No, that was a silly mistake! -0.59 was the answer. Thank you for your help!
 
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WrongMan said:
Oh and fyi you could have figured the result with the formulas your teacher gave you.
For example, using the displacement formula (since its given the acceleration is constant), you substitute "a" for "(vf-vi)/t" gettign rid of the squared t, then you find t, and then solve the velocity equation for a
OHHHHHH, awesome thank you! This stuff is review for my third year biomechanics university class & I remember almost nothing from my grade 12 physics. I knew acceleration being constant meant something, I just couldn't remember how it affected the problem. Looks like I should definitely spend some time online reading over some physics intro... Thanks again!
 

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