Speed of ball vs Acceleration of the ball?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the speed and acceleration of a ball, particularly in the context of forces acting on it, such as air drag. Participants are exploring the implications of increasing velocity and how it relates to acceleration, especially when considering external forces like drag.

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  • Participants are questioning the original poster's reasoning regarding the relationship between increasing speed and acceleration. There is a discussion about the effects of air drag and how it influences acceleration as speed increases. Some participants are also clarifying the distinction between acceleration and force, and the implications of positive and negative values of velocity and acceleration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored, particularly regarding the forces acting on the ball and the definitions of acceleration and velocity.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of motion in a non-vacuum environment, considering the effects of gravity and drag forces. There are indications of misunderstandings about the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and displacement that are being addressed.

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v = s/t
a = v/t

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My thinking was that through this small distance of air since velocity would increase due to the change in position changing at an increasing rate and thus since velocity is increasing then obviously acceleration would increase because a = v/t so a= 5/1 is 5m/s^2 and a=10/1 is 10m/s^2 then acceleration is increasing BUT

the markscheme says "A" speed of ball increases, acceleration decreases.. why does acceleration decrease?
 

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Think about all the forces that act on the ball. Especially think about the air drag force that acts on the ball. How does the air drag force changes as velocity increases?
 
Aaryan34532 said:
since velocity is increasing then obviously acceleration would increase
It is not even true, let alone obvious.
If acceleration is positive, what is happening to the velocity?
Aaryan34532 said:
a = v/t so a= 5/1 is 5m/s^2 and a=10/1 is 10m/s^2
I do not understand your calculation. Please explain the situation you are considering and where these numbers come from.
Aaryan34532 said:
why does acceleration decrease?
It is not in a vacuum.
 
@haruspex but wouldn't acceleration due to gravity at the start be greater than whatever drag forces existed? if acceleration is positive then velocity also must be positive.
 
Aaryan34532 said:
wouldn't acceleration due to gravity at the start be greater than whatever drag forces existed?
You cannot compare an acceleration to a force, they're different entities.
If you mean the force of gravity on the object, yes, it will be greater than the drag force, but how does that conflict with what I wrote?
Aaryan34532 said:
if acceleration is positive then velocity also must be positive.
You have a basic misunderstanding of the relationship between velocity and acceleration.
It might help to start one level higher (thinking of differentiation as down and integration as up). I.e., think about displacement and velocity of a ball moving vertically.
I throw a ball up. Consider vertically up velocity and displacement from where I released it. At first, velocity is positive and decreasing, displacement is positive and increasing. After reaching maximum height, velocity is negative. Displacement is still positive but decreasing. Eventually, displacement and velocity are both negative.
Compare the positive/negative state of velocity (i.e. its sign) with that of displacement. Is knowing whether velocity is positive or negative enough to say whether the displacement is (or vice versa)? What about the relationship between the sign of the velocity and whether displacement is increasing or decreasing?

See if you can work out the relationship between the sign of the acceleration and what is happening with velocity.
 

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