Deviation from Raoult's Law--Smith Van Ness Abbott

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Vapor Liquid Equilibrium (VLE) behavior in binary systems as described in the book "Smith Van Ness Abbott." Participants explore the implications of Raoult's Law on pressure versus composition graphs, particularly focusing on deviations in the liquid and vapor phases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the representation of Raoult's Law in the context of VLE, noting that only the liquid phase is said to exhibit deviations.
  • Another participant suggests applying Raoult's Law without a condensed phase as a potential approach.
  • A different participant argues that the book does not indicate deviations from Raoult's Law for the liquid phase and emphasizes that a system obeying Raoult's Law should show a straight line for total pressure versus composition at constant temperature.
  • This participant also mentions that non-idealities in the vapor phase could cause deviations, but the dominant factor in the discussed case may be the liquid phase.
  • Several participants agree that Chapter 10 does not provide examples of deviations from Raoult's Law and clarify their understanding of the linearity of P-x1 and nonlinearity of P-y1 under Raoult's Law.
  • There is a suggestion to plot the P-y1 curve from Raoult's Law against real VLE data to observe potential deviations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Chapter 10 does not describe deviations from Raoult's Law, but there is disagreement on the interpretation of the implications of Raoult's Law for the liquid and vapor phases. Multiple competing views regarding the presence and significance of deviations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of constant temperature in the application of Raoult's Law and the potential for non-ideal behavior in both liquid and vapor phases, but these aspects remain context-dependent and not fully resolved.

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The book I am reading, Smith Van Ness Abbott has several figures of Pressure vs Composition for Vapor Liquid Equilibrium of a Binary system. It often includes a dashed straight line to represent Raoult's Law.

What confuses me is that only the liquid phase ( P-x1 ) is said to exhibit deviations from the Raoult's Law-the dashed line. I have uploaded two pictures. In Figure 10.11, P-x1 is a straight line, characteristic of Raoult's Law. However, P-y1 is not a straight line.

Figure 12.5 is a graph of real VLE behavior. The P-x1 curve deviates from the dashed line, as does the P-y1 curve, which also was nonlinear in Raoult's Law system. From the book's description, only the liquid phase deviates from Raoult's law. And in a system obeying Raoult's Law, only the liquid phase has a linear P-x1 behavior. Am I understanding this correctly?
 

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A conditional "yes." You might try applying Raoult's law without a condensed phase.
 
swmmr1928 said:
The book I am reading, Smith Van Ness Abbott has several figures of Pressure vs Composition for Vapor Liquid Equilibrium of a Binary system. It often includes a dashed straight line to represent Raoult's Law.

What confuses me is that only the liquid phase ( P-x1 ) is said to exhibit deviations from the Raoult's Law-the dashed line. I have uploaded two pictures. In Figure 10.11, P-x1 is a straight line, characteristic of Raoult's Law. However, P-y1 is not a straight line.
Your interpretation is not correct. In chapter 10, Smith and Van Ness make it clear that the system being considered obeys Raoult's law. Nowhere do they indicate that P-x "exhibits deviations from Raoult's Law" (whatever that means). For a system that obeys Raoult's law, a line of P (total pressure) vs x is a straight line at constant temperature. In the book, they give the simple algebra that leads to this result. Raoult's law is a combination thing, and there is no such thing as Raoult's law for a liquid alone.
Figure 12.5 is a graph of real VLE behavior. The P-x1 curve deviates from the dashed line, as does the P-y1 curve, which also was nonlinear in Raoult's Law system.
This is because of non-idealities in the liquid phase.
From the book's description, only the liquid phase deviates from Raoult's law.
There can also be non-idealities in the vapor phase causing deviations from Raoult's law, but maybe, for the case being considered (e.g., low pressure), the dominant factor is the liquid phase.

And in a system obeying Raoult's Law, only the liquid phase has a linear P-x1 behavior.
For constant temperature only.

Chet
 
I agree that Chapter 10 does not describe any examples with deviations from Raoult's Law. I was not clear in my first post.

Raoult's Law for Binary system at Constant Temperature
<br /> <br /> P_{t}(x)=P_{2}^{sat}+(P_{1}^{sat}-P_{2}^{sat})x_{1}<br /> \\<br /> P_{t}(y)=\frac{1}{y_{1}/P_{1}^{sat}+y_{2}/P_{2}^{sat}}<br /> <br />

I get it. Quite simply, Raoult's Law (at constant Temperature) is linear P-x1 but nonlinear for P-y1. That means that P-x1 deviations from Raoult's Law are immediately evident, but P-y1 are not. When viewing real VLE data, could the P-y1 curve from Raoult's Law also be plotted to see those deviations?
 
swmmr1928 said:
I agree that Chapter 10 does not describe any examples with deviations from Raoult's Law. I was not clear in my first post.

Raoult's Law for Binary system at Constant Temperature
<br /> <br /> P_{t}(x)=P_{2}^{sat}+(P_{1}^{sat}-P_{2}^{sat})x_{1}<br /> \\<br /> P_{t}(y)=\frac{1}{y_{1}/P_{1}^{sat}+y_{2}/P_{2}^{sat}}<br /> <br />

I get it. Quite simply, Raoult's Law (at constant Temperature) is linear P-x1 but nonlinear for P-y1. That means that P-x1 deviations from Raoult's Law are immediately evident, but P-y1 are not. When viewing real VLE data, could the P-y1 curve from Raoult's Law also be plotted to see those deviations?
Sure.
 

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