DG is for isothermal thus dH =0?

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The discussion centers on the thermodynamic properties of internal energy (U) and enthalpy (H) during isothermal processes, specifically addressing the condition where ΔH and ΔU equal zero for ideal gases. It establishes that for non-ideal systems, temperature is not the sole variable affecting these properties. The fundamental thermodynamic relation dU = T dS - P dV is highlighted, along with Maxwell relations derived from it. The conversation concludes that while total enthalpy changes with the number of moles of gas, specific enthalpy remains constant.

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If U, H are functions of T only, then ΔU and ΔH should be zero for isothermal processes
ΔG and ΔA are only defined at constant T (thus define isothermal processes)
ΔG = ΔH – TΔS thus equals -TΔS always (since ΔH=0)?
this makes no sense since from previous calculations I have done in many problems ΔH has nonzero value
similarly, ΔA = ΔU - TΔS= -TΔS?
Please help clear my confusion, thanks.
 
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U and H are functions of only temperature if the gas is ideal (in which case ΔH=ΔU=0 for an isothermal process). For a non-ideal system, temperature is not the only relevant variable.
 
The fundamental thermodynamic relation is:
<br /> dU = T \, dS - P \, dV<br />
which would imply that the internal energy U is a function of entropy S and volume V as natural variables. The partial derivatives can be read off from this differential form:
<br /> T = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}\right)_{V}, \; P = -\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_{S}<br />
Because the mixed second partial derivatives have to be equal, we have the following identity:
<br /> \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_{S} = -\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial S}\right)_{V}<br />
which is one of the Maxwell relations.

The other therodynamic potentials are Legendre transfroms:
<br /> \begin{array}{lcr}<br /> H = U + P \, V &amp; dH = T \, dS + V \, dP &amp; H = H(S, P) \\<br /> <br /> A = U - T \, S &amp; dA = -S \, dT - P \, dV &amp; A = A(T, V) \\<br /> <br /> G = U - T \, S + P \, V &amp; dG = -S \, dT + V \, dP &amp; G = G(T, P)<br /> \end{array}<br />
You should be able to deduce the other three Maxwell relations from these expressions.
 
danago said:
U and H are functions of only temperature if the gas is ideal (in which case ΔH=ΔU=0 for an isothermal process). For a non-ideal system, temperature is not the only relevant variable.

Wow is this really it?
perhaps changes in moles of gas is also a factor?
 
sparkle123 said:
Wow is this really it?
perhaps changes in moles of gas is also a factor?

If we are talking about the total enthalpy (i.e. in units of energy), then yes it will change with the number of moles of gas; however the specific enthalpy (i.e. energy/mole) will remain unchanged.
 

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