Diagonalizing a symmetric matrix with non-distinct eigenvalues

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The discussion revolves around diagonalizing a symmetric matrix with non-distinct eigenvalues, specifically the matrix A given in the problem statement. The participants are exploring the conditions under which such a matrix can be diagonalized and the implications of having repeated eigenvalues on the linear independence of eigenvectors.

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  • Participants discuss the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix, questioning the relationship between repeated eigenvalues and the linear independence of eigenvectors. They explore the conditions for diagonalizability and the implications of having fewer than n linearly independent eigenvectors.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the diagonalizability of matrices with repeated eigenvalues, noting that it is possible to have a sufficient number of linearly independent eigenvectors. Others have acknowledged misconceptions about the relationship between eigenvalues and eigenvector independence, leading to a more nuanced understanding of the topic.

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There is a reference to a textbook that discusses the diagonalization of symmetric matrices, which may influence the participants' understanding of the topic. The discussion also touches on the orthogonality of eigenvectors and the conditions under which symmetric matrices can be diagonalized using orthogonal matrices.

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Homework Statement


Given the matrix A:

4 2 2
2 4 2
2 2 4

Find the matrix P such that P-1AP is diagonal


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The Attempt at a Solution


So I had this question today on a placement exam and it threw me for a loop. I found the eigenvalues to be 2,2, and 8. The eigenvectors are (-1,1,0), (-1, 0, 1), and (1,1,1) respectively. So my understanding was that with any real symmetric matrix it should be possible to write it in this form. However, my understanding was also that it had to have n linear independent eigenvectors which meant no repeated eigenvalues. Which way is it?
 
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Fractal20 said:

Homework Statement


Given the matrix A:

4 2 2
2 4 2
2 2 4

Find the matrix P such that P-1AP is diagonal


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


So I had this question today on a placement exam and it threw me for a loop. I found the eigenvalues to be 2,2, and 8. The eigenvectors are (-1,1,0), (-1, 0, 1), and (1,1,1) respectively. So my understanding was that with any real symmetric matrix it should be possible to write it in this form. However, my understanding was also that it had to have n linear independent eigenvectors which meant no repeated eigenvalues. Which way is it?

With repeated eigenvalues, say of multiplicity m (m = 2 in your case) you can have: (i) m linearly independent eigenvectors for that eigenvalue; or (ii) fewer than m linearly independent eigenvectors for that eigenvalue. In your case you have a 3x3 matrix with 3 linearly independent eigenvectors, so your matrix is diagonalizable.

An nxn matrix with fewer than n linearly eigenvectors is termed *defective*. Of course, if all n eigenvalues are different the matrix is not defective; defectiveness is possible only for a matrix with repeated eigenvalues, and even then the issue of whether or not it IS defective depends on other details about the matrix.

RGV
 
Fractal20 said:
However, my understanding was also that it had to have n linear independent eigenvectors which meant no repeated eigenvalues. Which way is it?
You can see this idea is wrong by considering the nxn identity matrix. Every non-zero vector is an eigenvector, so you can obviously find n linearly independent vectors. Yet all the eigenvalues are equal to 1.
 
Okay, I see my error in that regard. The book I have been studying (Linear Algebra and its app. Strang) repeatedly states that if a matrix has no repeated eigenvalues then its eigenvectors are independent. I was stupidly reading this as iff.

But the real problem was that the eigenvectors weren't orthogonal, (-1,0,1) and (-1, 1, 0) specifically. My understanding here was that any symmetric matrix can be diagonalized using orthogonal matrices. I'm aware that the development in my text assumes unique eigenvalues, but the theorem explicitly states any symmetric matrix...?
 
If you have two vectors corresponding to the same eigenvalue, any linear combination of them will also be an eigenvector with the same eigenvalue, so you can find linear combinations so that you end up with two orthogonal eigenvectors.
 

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