Are Similar Matrices' Eigenvalues the Same? Solving for Symmetric Matrices

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The discussion revolves around the properties of similar matrices, specifically focusing on matrices A = [1 2; 2 4] and P = [1 3; 3 6]. The original poster aims to verify that similar matrices have the same eigenvalues by calculating B = P^-1*A*P and finding the corresponding eigenvectors.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the inverse matrix P^-1 and the resulting matrix B. There are attempts to find eigenvalues and eigenvectors for both matrices, with some questioning the accuracy of their calculations. The original poster expresses confusion about how to demonstrate that x = P*y are eigenvectors of A.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations of matrices and eigenvectors. There is a recognition of the need to maintain precision in numerical values, particularly by using fractions instead of decimals. Multiple interpretations of the eigenvector calculations are being explored, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the original poster's matrix of eigenvectors may be transposed, which could lead to errors in the calculations. There is also a reminder to adhere to homework guidelines regarding the presentation of numerical values.

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Homework Statement


Consider matrices A = [1 2;2 4] and P = [1 3;3 6]. Using B = P^-1*A*P, verify that similar matrices have the same eigenvalues. Find the eigenvectors y for B and show that x = P*y are eigenvectors of A.

Homework Equations


B = P^-1*A*P,
x = P*y

The Attempt at a Solution


I have

P^-1 = [-2 1;1 -.333]

B = [0 0;2.333 4.999]

eigenvalues for matrices A and B are 0 and 5.

eigenvectors, y are

x2*[0 1]
x2*[-2.14 1]

eigenvectors for matrix A are

x2*[-2 1]
x2*[.5 1]

P*y = [1 3;3 6]*[0 1 ; -2.14 1]

I get x = [3 .86;6 -.42]

What am I doing wrong?
 
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similar matrices represent the same operator on a space but with different coordinates. since eigenvalues do not depend on coordinates they have the same eigenvalues.
 
Right, which is why I have 0 and 5 as eigenvalues for both matrices.

How do I show that x = P*y are eigenvectors of A? I feel like I'm getting the wrong answer.
 
shreddinglicks said:

Homework Statement


Consider matrices A = [1 2;2 4] and P = [1 3;3 6]. Using B = P^-1*A*P, verify that similar matrices have the same eigenvalues. Find the eigenvectors y for B and show that x = P*y are eigenvectors of A.

Homework Equations


B = P^-1*A*P,
x = P*y

The Attempt at a Solution


I have

P^-1 = [-2 1;1 -.333]

B = [0 0;2.333 4.999]
You should leave the numbers as fractions, not as rounded decimal values.
##P^{-1} =\begin{bmatrix} -2 & 1 \\ 1 & -\frac 1 3 \end{bmatrix}## and ##B =\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 \\ \frac 7 3 & 5 \end{bmatrix}##
shreddinglicks said:
eigenvalues for matrices A and B are 0 and 5.

eigenvectors, y are

x2*[0 1]
x2*[-2.14 1]
The latter is really ##\begin{bmatrix} -\frac{15} 7 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}##
shreddinglicks said:
eigenvectors for matrix A are

x2*[-2 1]
x2*[.5 1]

P*y = [1 3;3 6]*[0 1 ; -2.14 1]

I get x = [3 .86;6 -.42]
Hard to tell what you did here. When I multiply Py, I get a matrix whose columns are vectors that are scalar multiples of ##\begin{bmatrix} -2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}## and ##\begin{bmatrix} \frac 1 2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}##
shreddinglicks said:
What am I doing wrong?
 
shreddinglicks said:
P*y = [1 3;3 6]*[0 1 ; -2.14 1]
Your matrix of y’s on the right appears to be transposed. Might have been better off leaving them as two vectors. That would avoid this error anyway
 
shreddinglicks said:
How do I show that x = P*y are eigenvectors of A? I feel like I'm getting the wrong answer.

This might not be an issue once you construct the x’s properly, but on the off chance you are asking the more basic question of “how”, you prove the x’s are eigenvectors of A by using the definition of an eigenvector
 
Mark44 said:
You should leave the numbers as fractions, not as rounded decimal values.
##P^{-1} =\begin{bmatrix} -2 & 1 \\ 1 & -\frac 1 3 \end{bmatrix}## and ##B =\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 \\ \frac 7 3 & 5 \end{bmatrix}##
The latter is really ##\begin{bmatrix} -\frac{15} 7 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}##
Hard to tell what you did here. When I multiply Py, I get a matrix whose columns are vectors that are scalar multiples of ##\begin{bmatrix} -2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}## and ##\begin{bmatrix} \frac 1 2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}##

I made x2 = 1

Then I calculated P*y

This gave me

P*y = [1 3; 3 6] * [0 -15/7; 1 1] = [3 6/7; 6 -3/7]
 
The columns of your last matrix, Py, are multiples of ##\begin{bmatrix} \frac 1 2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}## and ##\begin{bmatrix} -2 1\end{bmatrix}##, so they are also eigenvectors of A.
 
Yes, you're right. I didn't even notice that.

6*[.5 1]'
and
(3/7)*[-2 1]
 
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Thanks! You have been a great help.
 

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