Diamagnetism of Pyrolytic carbon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the diamagnetism of pyrolytic carbon, exploring its properties, potential applications, and experimental approaches. Participants consider the possibility of creating omni-directional diamagnetic effects through specific cutting and layering techniques, as well as the implications for materials science and magnetism projects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pyrolytic carbon layers could be cut and laminated at angles to achieve omni-directional diamagnetism, challenging the traditional understanding of its properties.
  • Others argue that pyrolytic carbon is primarily diamagnetic in one plane, specifically orthogonal to the cleavage direction, and that its susceptibility varies significantly depending on orientation.
  • A participant raises the question of whether the diamagnetism of graphite increases with temperature (Tc), indicating uncertainty about temperature effects on material properties.
  • There is a request for information on companies that provide free samples of diamagnetic pyrolytic graphite for experimental evaluation, highlighting a practical interest in the material.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the potential diamagnetic properties of carbon nanotubes, linking them to the discussion on pyrolytic carbon.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the relationship between the structure of pyrolytic carbon and its diamagnetic properties, with some participants noting the unusual characteristics of the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the directional properties of diamagnetism in pyrolytic carbon, with some asserting it is primarily effective orthogonally to the cleavage, while others propose methods to achieve omni-directionality. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding experimental methods and the effects of temperature.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the properties of pyrolytic carbon are complex and may depend on specific conditions, such as the method of preparation and orientation of layers. There are also references to varying susceptibility values that are not universally agreed upon.

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This discussion may be of interest to materials scientists, students working on magnetism projects, and researchers exploring the properties of carbon-based materials.

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We know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolytic_carbon" layers will have an omni directional cleavage and possibly an omni directional Diamagnetic field.

Also, could a http://www.ebteccorp.com/lasercut.html" cut such a thin sheet of Pyrolytic carbon to transparent thickness, If not then say 5 microns or less?:bugeye:

Note: The most strongly diamagnetic material is Bismuth χ = −166×10−6, although pyrolitic graphite may have a susceptibility of χ = −400×10−6 in one plane.

If pyrolitic graphite can be made Diamagnetic omni directional by the above method it will be the strongest Diamagnetic substance at room temperature and Bismuth will be history.

Also, Does anybody know of any company that gives free samples of Diamagnetic pyrolitic graphite for product evaluation, I intend to carry out the above experiment to see if the omni directional diamagnetic field exists.

Another question is, does Diamagnetic Graphite increase in Diamagnetism with Tc?
 

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This could be worth a Science Grant couldn't it?:bugeye:
 
We know that Pyrolytic carbon is Diamagnetic only in one plane of direction but is it possible to cut it into slices with its cleavage to transparent thickness and then take each of the Pyrolytic carbon transparent sheets and laminate each of the layers into criss cross cleavages so that each thin layer is in 45 degrees in cleavage direction so that the sum of all the laminated layers will have an omni directional cleavage and possibly an omni directional Diamagnetic field.
This sentence is extremely unclear. Would you please elaborate ?
 
It's interesting, If we looked into the Laminated pyrolitic graphite sheets in which each sheet is 45 degrees to the next layer the cleavage appears Helical from above or below looking through all the layers at once.

This makes me curious if Nano tubes are strongly Diamagnetic at their ends or when your looking straight down on Nano Tubes stacked in parallel (Paralleled Vertical Helixes). :bugeye:
 

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Why do you think you're going to form a nano tube?
 
nbo10 said:
Why do you think you're going to form a nano tube?

No, I was comparing Spiralism/Helicals of the two Carbons and associating Carbon/Graphite Spirals with possible omni directional Diamagnetism. (intuition only).

Diamagnetic pyrolitic graphite has linear Cleavages from its growth during manufacturing process, also known as HOPG or Highly Ordered Pyrolitic Graphite.

If these HOPG layers are sliced with its cleavage it can be made into very thin sheets, if each sheet is turned 45 degrees when stacked for lamination the sum of the stack would as opposed to its Linear Cleavage would appear to have a spiral or Helical effect while looking down through the layers when 90 degrees opposed to its cleavage, The diagram above can give you an idea as to orienting the Linear cleavages in any radial degree that is desired, if each slice can be made say a micron in thickness this would make the stacked radial cleavage pattern more dense with the effect possibly adding to its diamagnetic enhancements, the diamagnetism in pyrolitic graphite is only diamagnetic in one plane,(in the direction of its cleavage)
If the cleavages can be omni directional then its possible that its diamagnetic direction will also change.:bugeye:
 
Intuitive said:
... the diamagnetism in pyrolitic graphite is only diamagnetic in one plane,(in the direction of its cleavage)...
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Hello Intuitive.
It is nice to see some creative interest and ideas, but...before you go too far let me point out something.

The enhanced diamagnetism from pyrolytic carbon is NOT in the direction along the cleavage, but rather in the direction orthogonal to the cleavage. (It is the thermal conductivity that is enhanced in the direction of the cleavage).

The diamagnetic susceptibility however along the cleavage is not zero, but is still considerable, about -75 x 10^-6 versus -400 x 10^-6 perpendicular to the plane.
The properties of this material are, nevertheless, unusual, providing unique areas of applicability (as the link pointed out).
However, you may now want to alter your plans...:wink:

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Creator said:
Hello Intuitive.
It is nice to see some creative interest and ideas, but...before you go too far let me point out something.

The enhanced diamagnetism from pyrolytic carbon is NOT in the direction along the cleavage, but rather in the direction orthogonal to the cleavage. (It is the thermal conductivity that is enhanced in the direction of the cleavage).

The diamagnetic susceptibility however along the cleavage is not zero, but is still considerable, about -75 x 10^-6 versus -400 x 10^-6 perpendicular to the plane.
The properties of this material are, nevertheless, unusual, providing unique areas of applicability (as the link pointed out).
However, you may now want to alter your plans...:wink:

Creator

Thanks for pointing out the oversite, I can not change the previous posts so I will make sure I note your advice for future postings.:bugeye:
 
Intuitive said:
Also, Does anybody know of any company that gives free samples of Diamagnetic pyrolitic graphite for product evaluation

I am also hoping to find a company that could give me a small sample. I am a student working with my school's physics club on a magnetism project. I don't think we need very much. We want to map out the specific way magnetic fields of our magnets react to the pyrolytic carbon for one of our projects.
 

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