News Did an Israeli Captain Face Consequences for Shooting a Palestinian Schoolgirl?

[Bilal]

I recall reading that they were also carrying a home made explosive device, I think a pipe-bomb.

Whatever they had, they did it by themselves (nobody send them as you claim).

I do feel that one source of these actions is anger due to the mistreatement of those around them. But there is also the massive glorification of becoming a martyr that seems to exist within the Palestinian youth, blatently instilled through indoctination. I'm sure you've read about the wonderful summer camps some of the Palestinain youths attend. When you ask children what they want to be when they grow up they should say a doctor, or a laywer, not a martyr, and that is hardly normal.

There is a revolution in Palestine since 20s against the Zionist invasion. It is logical that all the Palestinian parties: secular, Islamic, Christian, atheists, communists ... prepare their individuals for long term revolution, which could extend for generations.

Martyr is the person who killed during his defense of his homeland, money, family, or during his fighting against aggressors. Also it means those who died during their travel to get knowledge.
Martyrs are respectful people in all cultures, I never hear that any nation do not show respect to people who died while they fighting the invaders?

Islamic Jihad is one of 18 Palestinian originations representing all the political horizons from the extreme right to the extreme left. It is the same for the Palestinian leftists who believe that this war is against imperialism. They consider Che Givara as their spiritual leader ... the Palestinian nationalists believe that George Habash is their leader and they should unite as Arab nation (Christian, Muslims ... etc) against the Zionists. We are a democratic nation since decades and we accept the views of every political party. It is war time and all should prepare for that …

Do not forget that Algerian fought for 131 years based on these ideas to get independence from France. In Middle Ages, Palestinian with the support of the rest of ME nations fought bravely the crusaders for 200 years based on ''resistance culture''.

It is "to be or not to be’’, so losing this war means that our country ''Palestine'' will be removed from the map forever. It is war for existence ...


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Even from the interview with Husam you get the feeling that something isn't quite right. Yes, he expresses that he wants to hurt the Israelis because they hurt him:
But then from the rest of his statements I get the stark feeling that his reasons aren't so well grounded.
I get the distinct feeling that other factors may have played a major role in his decision.
What is the source of such nonesense?.

Did you read about the other side? Did you read about the Jews settlers of Hebron? Did you read how they teach their kids?

As I've said before I am highly influenced by the things that I read and hear on the news. I think that the Israelis have more then a few reasons to worry that children may be carrying explosive devices.

I can say the same about the settlers’ kids, they have guns and they shot several times o the Palestinian farmers so what is your point now?!

Here is a picture from the settlers’ camps in WB:

Using the same logic, can I say that Palestinian have the right to worry about those kids?

http://www.allaboutpalestine.com/images/jpegs/is_kid.jpg

Israeli culture is based on Samson (the first suicide bomber in human history. He murdered hundreds of Palestinian kids and women in Gaza 3000 years ago. His name is mentioned in the Jews holy books as a hero …

 

[Bilal]

Zlex,

This is a sory of the most well known Isareli lawyer who defends suicide bombers, I am sure she know much about this topic.
Here is from BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3087051.stm

Born in the Israeli port of Haifa in 1945, Ms Tsemel was 22 when Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the 1967 Six Day War, the outcome of which, she says, affected her profoundly.

"Only in the '67 war did I realize really what it was all about. Until then I was a very moderate Zionist woman.

"The occupation made it very clear to me that there was something wrong, and I started to ask myself all kinds of questions and came to the conclusion that Zionism is negative and bad, and that we are oppressing the Palestinians.

"Since then my future career was more or less determined."

"It used to be Molotov cocktails, but it has changed. I see suicide bombings as just another development - a technical development, nothing else.

"Everyone fights with their abilities - the Israelis have helicopters and rockets and the Palestinians have nothing but themselves and some very primitive home-made explosives."

Such "primitive" home-made explosives have killed hundreds of Israelis and maimed countless more, many in the streets just yards from where we are sitting.

"I grew up in an Israeli culture where suicide attackers are really heroes", she says.

"Look at Samson, who in order to fight the Philistines in Gaza made the theatre collapse on himself and all the civilians there. He is a very big hero among Jewish children.

"I grew up on the myth of better suicide than surrender. So what is so special about suicide bombers?"

"I don't understand why people would find my views abhorrent. If you ask any Israeli to put himself in a similar situation of occupation and oppression for 36 years - everyone would say they would do the same, including [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon.

"I don't support such actions or see this as the solution, but I can very well understand how suicide bombings became a very popular way of fighting - first, because it is quite successful; secondly, because people are ready to risk everything in order to achieve some progress in the national struggle.

"They feel it was something they had to do. No-one that I know was tempted into it. They all volunteered themselves.

"Those who were stopped before they could explode their bomb are happy they were not killed and they see it as a sign of God, that God did not want them to die."

 

[josh1]

Here's an idea. Instead of murdering other's, why don't arabs just blow themselves up at home as a kind of faith based statement in the belief that they'll be rewarded in the next world. In fact, they may as well forget about bombs and just take an overdose of sleeping pills (recommended for female terrorists) or shoot themselves in the head (recommended for male terrorists) or just get together and cut each other's heads off, since they seem to have a real penchant for that.

 

[selfAdjoint]

Here's an idea. Instead of murdering other's, why don't arabs just blow themselves up at home as a kind of faith based statement in the belief that they'll be rewarded in the next world. In fact, they may as well forget about bombs and just take an overdose of sleeping pills (recommended for female terrorists) or shoot themselves in the head (recommended for male terrorists) or just get together and cut each other's heads off, since they seem to have a real penchant for that.

I believe Islam, like Christianity defines suicide as a sin, but martyrdom in support of the Faith as a sure guarantee of salvation. In neither case do they tend to look all that close at the detailed circumstances of the martyrdom, but there's the unspoken warning: "Don't try this at home!"

 

[Bilal]

Here is an idea also. Instead of stealing the land of other nation by terrorism, and destroying the other culture based on biblical myth, why the Zionists can not establish their biblical homeland in Texas ?

Here's an idea. Instead of murdering other's, why don't arabs just blow themselves up at home as a kind of faith based statement in the belief that they'll be rewarded in the next world. In fact, they may as well forget about bombs and just take an overdose of sleeping pills (recommended for female terrorists) or shoot themselves in the head (recommended for male terrorists) or just get together and cut each other's heads off, since they seem to have a real penchant for that.

 

[Bilal]

I do not believe in what called religious ware between Judaism and Islam. We have Palestinian Jews who living in my city since 3000 years, also we have many Christian. This is pure political conflict between the Zionists who believe that Palestinian are inferior nation and they should give their country to the Jews, and on the other hand the Palestinian who believe that they should defend their country and their lives by all means.

There is a problem with some scholars of the extreme salafi Muslims who represent a tiny percentage of Muslims. I am sure they have many similar groups among all the rest of religions.

I am not so religious, but at least I know these verses of Koran which reject sucide and violence:

. "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).
. "The blame is only against those who oppress men with wrongdoing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice. For such there will be a chastisement grievous (in the Hereafter)" (42:42).
"O ye who believe! Remain steadfast for Allah, bearing witness to justice. Do not allow your hatred for others make you swerve to wrongdoing and turn you away from justice. Be just; that is closer to true piety."
- Qur'an, Surah al-Maidah (5:8)
And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors."
- Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:190)

I believe Islam, like Christianity defines suicide as a sin, but martyrdom in support of the Faith as a sure guarantee of salvation. In neither case do they tend to look all that close at the detailed circumstances of the martyrdom, but there's the unspoken warning: "Don't try this at home!"

 

[Anttech]

Here's an idea. Instead of murdering other's, why don't arabs just blow themselves up at home as a kind of faith based statement in the belief that they'll be rewarded in the next world. In fact, they may as well forget about bombs and just take an overdose of sleeping pills (recommended for female terrorists) or shoot themselves in the head (recommended for male terrorists) or just get together and cut each other's heads off, since they seem to have a real penchant for that.

Hey great idea... I can see you have thought that one through

 

[Art]

Hey great idea... I can see you have thought that one through

Racists rarely think things through. That's why they're racists.

 

[Anttech]

I do feel that one source of these actions is anger due to the mistreatement of those around them. But there is also the massive glorification of becoming a martyr that seems to exist within the Palestinian youth, blatently instilled through indoctination."

Do you think its a coincedence that Martydom is highly regarded in Islam, after the slaughter of Mulsims by the Christian crusades into Jersulem? ...

You reap what you soe