Did Anyone Create an Anti-Hydrogen Beam?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of creating a beam of anti-hydrogen and its implications for understanding whether antimatter reverses the direction of time. Participants explore theoretical and experimental aspects related to antimatter, including its properties and potential measurements.

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  • One participant questions the premise of antimatter reversing the direction of time, seeking clarification on what that means and what measurements could demonstrate such a phenomenon.
  • Another participant references ongoing investigations into antihydrogen at CERN, noting that its spectrum matches that of hydrogen, and expresses confusion over the idea of time reversal associated with antimatter.
  • It is mentioned that while beams of antiprotons have been used in experiments, the mathematical analogy of antiparticles to particles does not imply actual time reversal.
  • A participant speculates that an anti-matter-free-fall experiment has not yet been conducted but suggests it would likely confirm predictions of general relativity regarding gravitational attraction.
  • There are humorous exchanges regarding the speculative nature of the discussion, with one participant suggesting that antimatter might slow the forward passage of time, while another critiques the vagueness of the thread's premise.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of antimatter and the concept of time reversal. There is no consensus on the original question posed by the OP, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

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Some participants highlight the speculative nature of the discussion and the need for clearer definitions and measurements related to antimatter and time. There are indications of misunderstandings regarding the implications of antimatter in theoretical physics.

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Anti-hydrogen beam??
Did anyone ever create a beam of anti-hydrogen to see if antimatter reverses the direction of time?
 
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LightningInAJar said:
to see if antimatter reverses the direction of time?

Why would it? And what does that even mean? I think I know where you got this idea from, but let's see if you understood what you read.
 
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I have no idea where he got the idea from, and hope he can explain what "reverses the direction of time" means and more importantly, what measurement could be performed that would tell you you've done that.
 
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Indeed there are investigations on antihydrogen, e.g., at CERN. The most recent news I know of is that the spectrum looks as expected the same as for usual hydrogen.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2006-5 (open access!)

Why it should reverse the direction of time, is an enigma to me. Nobody ever claimed that antimatter reverses the direction of time in any way. If you are referring to the "Feynman-Stueckelberg trick" this is not "particles moving backwards in time", as is often claimed in popular-science writing, but it's simply to put a creation operator instead of an annihilation operator in the mode decomposition of the (free-)field operators in order to get a local realization of the proper orthochronous Poincare group without violating the demand to have a Hamiltonian bounded from below (after proper choice of the vacuum energy to be 0 a positive definite Hamiltonian).
 
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Beams of antiprotons have been used routinely for decades. The Tevatron for example collided protons and antiprotons.

In the calculations antiparticles have some similarity to particles if you exchange the time direction in the calculations (that's the laypeople-friendly explanation of what vanhees wrote), but that doesn't make anything go backwards in time.
An object thrown up has a mathematical similarity to an object falling down with reversed time direction, but that doesn't mean a ball starts time traveling if you throw it upwards.
 
Well, as far as I know, the anti-matter-free-fall experiment hasn't been done yet, but I'm pretty sure it will come out what's predicted by GR (or Newtonian gravity for that matter): antiparticles are attracted as particles through the gravitational interaction.
 
Can we please wait for the OP to clarify? I know "Guess what he means" is a popular PF game, but...
 
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Feel free to guess. I like the answers I'm getting. Maybe the presents of antimatter can slow the forward passage of time? Someone told me that we simply can't produce enough of it to get a noticeable difference?
 
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LightningInAJar said:
Feel free to guess.

I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone who wanted a serious conversation.

LightningInAJar said:
Maybe the presents of antimatter can slow the forward passage of time?

The presents? Are they wrapped with bows on them?
 
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LightningInAJar said:
if antimatter reverses the direction of time?
LightningInAJar said:
Feel free to guess.
LightningInAJar said:
Maybe the presents of antimatter can slow the forward passage of time? Someone told me that we simply can't produce enough of it to get a noticeable difference?

All of these are signs that this thread needs to be closed for being way too speculative and vague, not to mention based on a misconception from the start. I have heeded the signs.
 
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