Did I correctly prove the divergence of this series?

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The discussion revolves around verifying the divergence of the infinite series from n=1 to infinity of (2^n + 1/2^(n+1)). Participants explore various methods for proving divergence, including the n-th term test and the geometric series test.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss splitting the series into two parts and the implications of doing so. Questions arise regarding the validity of algebraic manipulations and the application of the n-th term test for divergence.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the use of the n-th term test as a straightforward approach. There is acknowledgment of the algebraic correctness in certain manipulations, but also a caution about the improper application of series properties when splitting series.

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Concerns are raised about the clarity of the original series notation and the assumptions made during the algebraic manipulation. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding when it is valid to split series and the conditions under which series properties hold.

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Homework Statement


Verify that the infinite series diverges.
I have the series from n=1 to infinity of (2^(n)+1/2^(n+1)


Homework Equations


Nth term test(This is the way the book did it but I did it used the geometric series test
and I just want to verify if my Algebra was correct)


The Attempt at a Solution


First I split the series into two separate series and let the series go from n=0 to infinity.
So I have 2^(n+1)/2^(n+2) add 1/2^(n+2).
I believe I can then bring down the some of the exponents and simplify to
2*2^n/4*2^n add 1/4*2^n
so for the first series I let a=1/2 and r=1^n
because |r|=|1| is greater than or equal to 1, the series diverges.
I completely ignored the second series that I made because its irrelevant to simplify
as I already know the first series diverges.

Is this proof valid and was my algebra correct?
 
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mathnoobie said:

Homework Statement


Verify that the infinite series diverges.
I have the series from n=1 to infinity of (2^(n)+1/2^(n+1)
Is this your series?

$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left(2^n + \frac{1}{2^{n+1}}\right)$$

You are missing a right paren, so I'm not sure what you intended.

The easiest approach is the n-th term test for divergence. It seems like a lot of extra work to try to make this series look like a geometric series, for which the general term is arn.
mathnoobie said:

Homework Equations


Nth term test(This is the way the book did it but I did it used the geometric series test
and I just want to verify if my Algebra was correct)

The Attempt at a Solution


First I split the series into two separate series and let the series go from n=0 to infinity.
So I have 2^(n+1)/2^(n+2) add 1/2^(n+2).
I believe I can then bring down the some of the exponents and simplify to
2*2^n/4*2^n add 1/4*2^n
so for the first series I let a=1/2 and r=1^n
because |r|=|1| is greater than or equal to 1, the series diverges.
I completely ignored the second series that I made because its irrelevant to simplify
as I already know the first series diverges.

Is this proof valid and was my algebra correct?
 
Mark44 said:
Is this your series?

$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left(2^n + \frac{1}{2^{n+1}}\right)$$

You are missing a right paren, so I'm not sure what you intended.

The easiest approach is the n-th term test for divergence. It seems like a lot of extra work to try to make this series look like a geometric series, for which the general term is arn.

(2^(n)+1)/2^(n+1)

I apologize for the confusion, that is my series.
I agree that the easiest approach is the n-th term test, however I don't always see the easiest approach every single time.
The problem with series is that you can do the wrong thing and still get the right answer, I just want to make sure my proof was right
since I got the right answer.
 
mathnoobie said:
I agree that the easiest approach is the n-th term test, however I don't always see the easiest approach every single time.

I think that if you're given a series, that the first thing you should always try is the n-th term test. If you don't find it using that, then you can move on. But the n-th term test is usually a lot easier than the other tests.
 
micromass said:
I think that if you're given a series, that the first thing you should always try is the n-th term test. If you don't find it using that, then you can move on. But the n-th term test is usually a lot easier than the other tests.

Thank you for the advice, I will always do that from now on. I kinda saw that I should've done that halfway through the problem but I thought to myself why not finish it.

Could anyone though please confirm if my Algebra was correct? I have a test coming up and there will be geometric series that require this kind of algebraic manipulation and I just want to know if everything I did algebraically was correct.
I mostly just need to know if the exponent rule I did was right.
Like when you have 2^(n+2), its actually 2^2 * 2^n. This is a valid right?
 
mathnoobie said:
(2^(n)+1)/2^(n+1)
Like so:
So this is your series.
$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac{2^n + 1}{2^{n+1}} \right)$$
mathnoobie said:
I apologize for the confusion, that is my series.
I agree that the easiest approach is the n-th term test, however I don't always see the easiest approach every single time.
But you should try the easy approaches first, and the n-th term test for divergence is probably the easiest of all the tests.
mathnoobie said:
The problem with series is that you can do the wrong thing and still get the right answer, I just want to make sure my proof was right
since I got the right answer.

Here's from your first post...
mathnoobie said:
First I split the series into two separate series and let the series go from n=0 to infinity.
So I have 2^(n+1)/2^(n+2) add 1/2^(n+2).
Wouldn't it have been simpler to leave the index starting from 1?
Then you would have 2^n/(2^(n + 1)) + 1/(2^(n + 1)).
mathnoobie said:
I believe I can then bring down the some of the exponents and simplify to
2*2^n/4*2^n add 1/4*2^n
Use + instead of "add".
2^n/(2^(n + 1)) + 1/(2^(n + 1)) = 1/2 + 1/(2^(n + 1)).

The first part of what you have is correct, but can be greatly simplified.
2*2^n/4*2^n = 1/2
mathnoobie said:
so for the first series I let a=1/2 and r=1^n
No. For a geometric series r has to be a constant. Of course, for any finite n, 1^n is 1, so was this a typo?

Your first series is $$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2} $$
This is not a geometric series.

mathnoobie said:
because |r|=|1| is greater than or equal to 1, the series diverges.
I completely ignored the second series that I made because its irrelevant to simplify
as I already know the first series diverges.
 
mathnoobie said:
Thank you for the advice, I will always do that from now on. I kinda saw that I should've done that halfway through the problem but I thought to myself why not finish it.

Could anyone though please confirm if my Algebra was correct? I have a test coming up and there will be geometric series that require this kind of algebraic manipulation and I just want to know if everything I did algebraically was correct.
I mostly just need to know if the exponent rule I did was right.
Like when you have 2^(n+2), its actually 2^2 * 2^n. This is a valid right?

Your algebra was perfectly fine.

But there was a mistake in the proof: you split the series in two parts

\sum{a_n+b_n}=\sum a_n +\sum b_n

and deduce from that that a series in the right hand side diverges, thus the left-hand side diverges as well. This is not true. For example

\sum{1-1}=\sum 1 - \sum 1

the two series in the right-hand side diverge, but the left-hand side does not diverge.

The rule

\sum{a_n+b_n}=\sum a_n +\sum b_n

only holds if both \sum a_n as \sum b_n converge. If both diverge, then there is nothing that can be said.
 
Thank you guys so much for the thorough explanations! I really need to review my property of series. My biggest concern was the algebra but thankfully I did that right.
As for the use of add, I thought it would be easier to read if I used add instead of +(not sure why).
 
micromass said:
Your algebra was perfectly fine.

But there was a mistake in the proof: you split the series in two parts

\sum{a_n+b_n}=\sum a_n +\sum b_n

and deduce from that that a series in the right hand side diverges, thus the left-hand side diverges as well. This is not true. For example

\sum{1-1}=\sum 1 - \sum 1

the two series in the right-hand side diverge, but the left-hand side does not diverge.

The rule

\sum{a_n+b_n}=\sum a_n +\sum b_n

only holds if both \sum a_n as \sum b_n converge. If both diverge, then there is nothing that can be said.
Well, if a_n> 0, b_n> 0, and that is the situation here, and either \sum a_n, or \sum b_n, or both diverge, then \sum (a_n+ b_n) diverges.
 
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One point that micromass made was very pertinent - about splitting series into parts and when you can do that. That thought came to mind while I was writing a response, but I didn't include it, so I'm glad he did.
 

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