Dielectric with a parallel-plate capacitor finding minimum area

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum area of plates for a parallel-plate capacitor with a specified dielectric constant, dielectric strength, capacitance, and maximum potential difference. Participants are exploring the relationships between these variables and the formulas involved in capacitor calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for capacitance and the role of dielectric constant and distance between plates. There are questions about the calculations leading to the derived distance and area, with some participants expressing confusion over large values obtained.

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The dielectric to be used in a parallel-plate capacitor has a dielectric constant of 3.70 and a dielectric strength of 1.90×10^7 V/m . The capacitor is to have a capacitance of 1.05×10^−9 F and must be able to withstand a maximum potential difference of 5600 V.

What is the minimum area the plates of the capacitor may have? use 8.85*10^-12 for permittivity of free space.

A=______ m^2.

Well i know that the capacitance equals permittivity times area times dialectric constant divided by distance between plates. The distance i got by dividing the voltage by the dialectric strength. Is that correct?

the final answer i got was 9.47*10^11 but it was wrong. Help please!
 
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Hi sonrie,

That's quite large for the area of a capacitor! I think you might have just made a calculation error. What numbers did you use for both of your calculations?
 
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The max intensity of field can be 1.9 x 10^7. Now what is the field inside a capacitor?
Relate the intensity to the potential difference.And use the capacitance formula.
 
For the distance i got 2.95*10^10
so the equation looks like
1.05*10^-9= 8.85*10^-12 *Area/ 2.95*10^10 = 3.50*10^-12 which is different than the one i posted before but its still wrong! Help please!
 
Hi sonrie,

When you get a distance like 2.95 x 10^10 something must be wrong. That is a huge distance! What did you do to find that number?

The equation that you then used next to solve for A is missing the dielectric constant. For a parallel plate capacitor with a dielectric, we have:

<br /> C = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A}{d}<br />
 
To find the distance if did the following 5600/1.90*10^7 = 2.94*10^7
 
sorry its 2.94 *10^10
 
With the formula that you provided by equation will look like this:

1.05*10^-9= 8.85*10^-12 *3.70* A / 2.94*10^10 so i just solve for A? then my final answer would be final answer was 9.47*10^-11 still wrong
 
sonrie said:
To find the distance if did the following 5600/1.90*10^7 = 2.94*10^7

sonrie said:
sorry its 2.94 *10^10

sonrie,

That distance is huge! The radius of the Earth is only about 6 x 10^6 meters or so.

It looks like you just entered it into the calculator wrong. I get:

5600 / ( 1.9 x 10^7 ) = 0.000295
 
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your Right! so my equation will be 1.05*10^-9= 8.85*10^-12*3.70*A/2.95*10^-4 . I finally got it RIGHT!
Thank You So Much! Have a GREAT DAY!
 

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