Diff Eq tank problem not working out

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem related to a tank containing a brine solution. The scenario involves a tank initially filled with pure water into which a salt solution flows at a constant rate, and participants are tasked with determining the mass of salt over time and the concentration at a specific moment.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up a differential equation to model the situation but questions the accuracy of their formulation and integration. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the definitions of variables, particularly distinguishing between total salt and concentration. Others propose an alternative approach focusing on volumes and rates of change.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing clarifications and alternative methods. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their understanding of the variables involved and expresses gratitude for the feedback. There is a sense of progress as the discussion evolves, with participants exploring different perspectives on the problem.

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The original poster mentions a test approaching, indicating a time constraint and the pressure to understand the material thoroughly. There is also a note about potential confusion regarding the integration process and the treatment of absolute values in the context of time.

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I know you guys must get tired of the tank problem, but I just can't seem to get this figured out. This is my first post here, so hopefully this is in the right subforum and is presented properly.

"A brine solution of salt flows at a constant rate of 4L/min into a large tank that initially held 100L of pure water. The solution inside the tank is perfectly mixed at all times, and flows out of the tank at a rate of 3L/min. If the concentration of salt in the brine entering the tank is .2kg/L, determine the mass of salt in the tank after t minutes. At what time will the concentration of salt in the tank reach .1kg/L. Assume the tank is infinitely large."

To solve this, I set up my D.E. as follows. I omitted units to cut down on clutter:

dx/dt = input-output (x being concentration per time t)
dx/dt = (4 * .2) - (3 * (x(t)/100 + t))

I then put it into standard form: dx/dt + (3/(t+100))x=.8
Since this is linear, I solved using an integrating factor |(t+100)^3|

This gave me an equation x = .2(t+100)+(C/(t+100)^3)
I found C to be -2 x 10^7 using initial conditions x(0)=0

Plugging .1 in for x, I solved for t and obtained .1252 min or 7.506 sec. This seems very fast to raise the concentration so drastically. I have reworked it several times, but can not find my mistake. I will admit my integration skills are a bit rusty. Also, I neglected the absolute value sign in the integrating factor since negative time is not possible, maybe that is my error? Test tomorrow, appreciate any help!
 
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Your math is fine, but the way you have it set up, x(t) isn't the concentration — it's the total amount of salt in the tank. The concentration at time t would be x(t) divided by the volume of solution in the tank at time t.
 
Wow, haha, such a simple mistake has eluded me for the better part of an hour. Thanks!
 
this might be easier to do in terms of volumes

the rate of change of water in the tank will be,
V'(t) = v_in - v_out = (4-3)

V(t) = t + 100


the change in total salt water will be
s'(t) = s_in - s_out = v_in*c_in - v_out*c_out
= 4*0.2 - 3 *(s(t)/V(t))
s'(t) = 0.8-3s(t)/(100+t)

or in terms of the concentration
c(t) = s(t)/V(t)

then differntiating using the quotient rule
c'(t) = s'(t)/V(t) - s(t)/(V(t))^2
 
Thanks for the quick responses guys, I've got a handle on it now. I'll probably be back in an hour or so with a heating/cooling problem though, so bear with me :)
 

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