Difference between a continuously differentiable function and a wave

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The discussion explores the differences between absolutely continuously differentiable functions and wave functions, examining whether all such functions can be classified as waves. It includes theoretical considerations, definitions, and examples related to the nature of wave functions and their mathematical properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while all wave functions can be expressed as superpositions of plane waves, not all absolutely continuously differentiable functions are wave functions.
  • One participant mentions that a linear function is continuously differentiable but does not qualify as a wave function, indicating a distinction between the two concepts.
  • There is a question regarding whether wave functions are a subset of absolutely continuously differentiable functions, with some participants affirming this while others challenge the terminology used.
  • A participant introduces a lemma stating that if a function is twice differentiable, it can be expressed in a form that represents a wave function in multiple dimensions.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of weak solutions to wave equations, suggesting that differentiability may not be necessary for a function to qualify as a weak solution.
  • There is a mention of the Heaviside step function as a solution to the wave equation in a generalized sense, which adds complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between absolutely continuously differentiable functions and wave functions, with no consensus reached on whether all such functions can be classified as waves. The discussion includes both affirmations and challenges regarding definitions and terminology.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of wave functions and the properties of differentiable functions, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also touches on the concept of weak solutions, which introduces additional complexity and may depend on the context of the equations being considered.

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What is the difference between an absolutely continuously differentiable function and a wave?
What is the difference between an absolutely continuously differentiable function and a wave? Are all absolutely continuously differentiable equations waves?
 
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A linear function is certainly smooth, in particular continuously differentiable, and it is not a wave function. These are distinct concepts. For approximations with wave functions, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_series
 
Is a wave function a subset of the group of absolutely continuously differentiable functions?
 
Every wave function can be considered as a superposition of plane waves, where each plane wave is absolutely continuously differentiable.
 
redtree said:
Is a wave function a subset of the group of absolutely continuously differentiable functions?
The set of wave functions is. A single wave function is an element of the two sets. The group structure is only additive, which does not contain much information. So group is the wrong word here. We do not have multiplicative inverses. It is an algebra (I think. Depending on how wave function is defined. The continuously differentiable functions are.)
 
Right. My mistake on the terminology
 
To perplex things just a bit, the following little lemma might be of interest:

If ##f(x)## is a two times differentiable function of one real variable then $$f(\vec{k}\cdot\vec{x}-\omega t)$$ is a wave function of n+1 variables, ##\vec{k},\vec{x}\in \mathbb{R}^n##, ##\omega,t\in \mathbb{R}## for any ##n\in\mathbb{N}##
 
I did not understand the question but answer:)
A function ##H(x-at)## is a solution of the wave equation as well but in the generalized sense
here ##H## is the Heaviside step function
##(x\in\mathbb{R})##
 
Delta2 said:
To perplex things just a bit, the following little lemma might be of interest:

If ##f(x)## is a two times differentiable function of one real variable then $$f(\vec{k}\cdot\vec{x}-\omega t)$$ is a wave function of n+1 variables, ##\vec{k},\vec{x}\in \mathbb{R}^n##, ##\omega,t\in \mathbb{R}## for any ##n\in\mathbb{N}##
As pointed out, you can drop the differentiability and still have a weak solution to the wave equation.
 
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martinbn said:
As pointed out, you can drop the differentiability and still have a weak solution to the wave equation.
Sorry I don't understand, what do we mean by weak solution?
 
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Delta2 said:
Sorry I don't understand, what do we mean by weak solution?
For example, we shall say that a function ##u(t,x)\in L^1_{loc}(\mathbb{R}_+\times\mathbb{R})## is a weak solution to the equation ##u_{tt}=u_{xx}## if for any ##\psi\in\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}_+\times\mathbb{R}),\quad \mathbb{R}_+=\{\xi>0\mid\xi\in \mathbb{R}\}## it follows that
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}_+\times\mathbb{R}}u(t,x)(\psi_{tt}-\psi_{xx})dtdx=0$$

shock waves meet this definition
 
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Thanks @wrobel for making me remember that time is usually taken to be positive , as well as the concept of weak solution to a PDE.
 

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