Difference between a hessian and a bordered hessian

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The discussion clarifies the difference between a proper Hessian and a bordered Hessian, emphasizing that the latter is used for constrained optimization problems while the former applies to unconstrained scenarios. The bordered Hessian includes additional rows and columns to account for constraints, specifically the Hessian of the Lagrangian. It is noted that testing for positive or negative definiteness should occur in the tangent planes of the constraints rather than the entire space. Although bordered Hessians are still referenced in economics, modern optimization systems favor projected Hessians for their effectiveness in lower-dimensional spaces. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for correctly applying these concepts in mathematical problems.
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I was wondering what exactly the difference between a regular (proper? is that the term) hessian is and a bordered hessian. It is difficult to find material in the book or online at this point. I mean mathmatically so that were i to do a problem i would know the layout and what differs between the two. At this point I am aware that a bordered hessian is for constrained optimizations and a proper hessian for unconstrained from there i am unaware where they differ. Theoretically and forumlaically how do they differ?

At this point i think it is something like



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Proper Hessian

lZxx Zxyl
lZyx Zyyl

Then you find the determinant

A bordered hessian would be

l 0 Fx Fy l
l Fx Zxx Zxy l
l Fy Zyx Zyy l

Is that right because it seems too simple.
 
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Centurion1 said:

Homework Statement


I was wondering what exactly the difference between a regular (proper? is that the term) hessian is and a bordered hessian. It is difficult to find material in the book or online at this point. I mean mathmatically so that were i to do a problem i would know the layout and what differs between the two. At this point I am aware that a bordered hessian is for constrained optimizations and a proper hessian for unconstrained from there i am unaware where they differ. Theoretically and forumlaically how do they differ?

At this point i think it is something like



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Proper Hessian

lZxx Zxyl
lZyx Zyyl

Then you find the determinant

A bordered hessian would be

l 0 Fx Fy l
l Fx Zxx Zxy l
l Fy Zyx Zyy l

Is that right because it seems too simple.

Your are right: the above matrix is a bordered Hessian. It's what you do with it afterwards that counts!

Basically, in an equality-constrained optimization problem, the Hessian matrix of the Lagrangian (not just the Hessian of the max/min objective Z) needs to be tested for positive or negative definiteness or semi-definiteness, not in the whole space, but only in tangent planes of the constraints. Using bordered Hessians is one way of doing this, but a much better way is to use so-called "projected hessians"; these are, essentially, the Hessian projected down into the lower-dimensional space of the tangent plane. Nowadays, serious optimization systems use projected Hessians, and just about the only place you will see bordered Hessians anymore is in Economics textbooks.
 
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