Difference between distance in physics and math

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between the concepts of distance and displacement in physics and mathematics, particularly in the context of a problem involving a boat's movement. Participants explore how these terms are defined and used in different contexts, including the implications of directionality and magnitude.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the question posed by the math teacher should focus on "displacement" rather than "distance," as displacement includes both magnitude and direction.
  • Others clarify that distance is a scalar quantity representing the shortest path between two points, while displacement is a vector that includes direction.
  • A participant suggests that if the question is intended to yield a numerical answer like "5 km," it should specify "magnitude of the displacement" to avoid confusion with distance.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the terminology used in the question should be clarified, noting the distinction between distance, displacement, and distance traveled.
  • A later reply introduces a more complex scenario involving spherical geometry, suggesting that traditional methods like Pythagoras' theorem may not apply, and presents a calculation for displacement on the Earth's surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate terminology and definitions of distance and displacement, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of distance and displacement, as well as the context in which these terms are applied. The discussion also touches on the mathematical implications of spherical geometry, which may not be universally accepted.

Arif Setiawan
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Hai guys.. Today I've some discussion with math teacher. He wrote a question for his student about displacement. (Somehow A boat go to west 3 km, then move to north 4km. How is distance between A to the end?)
In my opinion, that question better stated as "How is displacement". But in math perspective he said that shortest path is distance. Anybody can make this clear or giving some clues?
Thanks before
 
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Arif Setiawan said:
In my opinion, that que astion better stated as "How is displacement".
If he wanted to ask a question to which the correct answer is "5 km", then he could not ask for "the displacement" because the only correct answer to that involves both a magnitude and a direction. He could ask for "the magnitude of the displacement from A" but that is exactly the same as asking for the distance of the end point from A.

a "distance" measure between two points always implies a straight-line measure, unless otherwise indicated
 
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NascentOxygen said:
If he wanted to ask a question to which the correct answer is "5 km", then he could not ask for "the displacement" because the only correct answer to that involves both a magnitude and a direction. He could ask for "the magnitude of the displacement from A" but that is exactly the same as asking the distance of the end point from A.

a "distance" measure between two points always implies a straight-line measure, unless otherwise indicated
I get your point. In math, expected answer just magnitude. So, I think better term is "distance" as like my math teacher said. Thanks in advance
 
I don't think he'd be mentioning directions if it were just the distance traveled, so I think he means the distance between point A to the end point. That's the usual format of the questions, otherwise they would have asked "what is the distanced traveled" in which the answer doesn't require much.
What you should do is ask the teacher to clarify the language they use. What do they mean about distance for example.
Usually the accepted terminology is this:
Distance - difference between point A and B.
Displacement - difference between point A and B and angle (if not told in respect to something, specify an axis you measure the angle from)
Distance traveled - the real distance in the route, not the shortest.
 
Let's make this a little more interesting.
Since the displacement occurs on a sphere, Pythagoras' theorem, C^2=A^2+B^2, must not be used.
Instead, cos(C/R) = cos(A/R) cos(B/R) with R the radius of Earth. Thus C=4.99999987 km.
1 thickness of a hair less than 5 km. :-)
 
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