Difference between omega 0 and omega k

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The discussion revolves around the terms omega sub zero (Ω₀) and omega k (Ωₖ) in cosmology, specifically their definitions and implications regarding the curvature of the universe and density ratios. Participants explore the meanings of these terms and their relationships to the universe's geometry and density at the present time.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the difference between Ω₀ and Ωₖ, suggesting they represent curvature and density of the universe.
  • Another participant points out that Ω typically represents the density of the universe, normalized to 1 for a flat universe.
  • It is noted that Ωₖ is often defined as Ωₖ = 1 - Ω, indicating that Ωₖ = 0 corresponds to a spatially flat universe.
  • Some participants propose that Ω₀ refers to the total relative density at the present time, but acknowledge that different references may use different notations.
  • There is a suggestion that Ωₖ indicates curvature, where 0 means zero curvature, while Ω₀ represents the ratio of critical density to actual density, leading to a discussion on the implications of a spatially flat universe.
  • Clarification is made that Ω represents the ratio of actual density to critical density, and if the universe is spatially flat at the present time, then Ω₀ should equal 1.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the terms Ω₀ and Ωₖ, and while some definitions are agreed upon, there is no consensus on the nuances of their meanings and implications.

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There are indications of varying definitions and notations in different cosmological literature, which may lead to confusion among participants regarding the terms discussed.

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As I try and read cosmology literature with the eyes of layman , I find two different terms that seem to represent the curvature ( or lack of) of the universe .
These are omega sub zero and omega k. But I can't see the difference between the two. Can anyone explain this?
 
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mathman said:
you may be confusing terms. \Omega is usually to represent the density of the universe, normalized so that = 1 means flat.

Yes, but ##\Omega_k## (not an actual mass/energy density) often is defined as ##\Omega_k = 1 - \Omega##, so that ##\Omega_k = 0## for a spatially flat universe.

I though that ##\Omega_0## usually means ##\Omega_0 = \Omega \left(t_0\right)##, i.e., ##\Omega_0## is the value of the total relative density right now, but I could be wrong. Also, different references can use different notations.
 
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George Jones said:
Yes, but ##\Omega_k## (not an actual mass/energy density) often is defined as ##\Omega_k = 1 - \Omega##, so that ##\Omega_k = 0## for a spatially flat universe.

I though that ##\Omega_0## usually means ##\Omega_0 = \Omega \left(t_0\right)##, i.e., ##\Omega_0## is the value of the total relative density right now, but I could be wrong. Also, different references can use different notations.

I get the impression that omega k is the curvature so 0 means zero curvature, whereas omega sub zero is the ratio of the critical density to the actual density and so with zero curvature omega sub zero should be 1. Is that correct?
 
windy miller said:
I get the impression that omega k is the curvature so 0 means zero curvature, whereas omega sub zero is the ratio of the critical density to the actual density and so with zero curvature omega sub zero should be 1. Is that correct?

The ratio is the other way around, .i.e., ##\Omega## is the ratio of the actual density to the critical density. If the present time is ##t_0##, then ##\Omega_0 = \Omega\left(t_0\right)##, and if at time ##t_0## the universe is spatially flat, then, yes, ##\Omega_0 = 1##.
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